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Specifically, the Apple app eco system comes to mind.

by johnflan 9y ago

freehunter 9y ago
Apple's apps have nothing to do with an open or closed Internet.
- kyberias 9y ago
  But people seem to think that and they have a reason. When apps replace web content, they quite clearly have something to do with the Internet. Web is part of the Internet. Isn't this obvious?
  - freehunter 9y ago
    People like the guy I responded to think that because they have an axe to grind against Apple. Notice how he said "Apple's app ecosystem" and not "Android app ecosystem", when Google's platform is just as robust? And didn't Microsoft start it with ActiveX and IE? Or how about "Works best with Netscape Navigator"? But no, it's Apple's fault. Everything is Apple's fault.
    - bigbugbag 9y ago
      Maybe I'm wrong but my interpretation was quite different. To me he's just pointing out a fact, to me along the 20+ years since I've been aware of the issue many things happened or didn't happen but a few specific things come out of the pack, including the one he cited. To me you came out as the apple fanboy who cannot stand that apple is part of the issue and that it is undeniably apple who popularized the "app store" model, emblematic of the problem at hands. It's only after apple's success that the others followed suit and copied the model to recreate their own distinct impossible to interconnect ecosystem. Even Mozilla has one now. Yes Apple is among the GAFAM who are to blame among many others for the current state of things, but ultimately the failure is in us who chose voluntary submission to new masters, who failed to use our technical knowledge to provide to other less technically inclined, who failed to force ISP to offer the means to self host, and so on I guess this is quite an illustration of "don't argue with fools, from a distance people may not be able to tell the difference".
- bigbugbag 9y ago
  Of course they have. When you have to use an app and a specific hardware to access content instead of the browser it's an open unless its closed internet (see tapas.io for one such example). The walled garden model is causing the closed internet.

Specifically, the Apple app eco system comes to mind.

freehunter 9y ago

Apple's apps have nothing to do with an open or closed Internet.

kyberias 9y ago
But people seem to think that and they have a reason. When apps replace web content, they quite clearly have something to do with the Internet. Web is part of the Internet. Isn't this obvious?
- freehunter 9y ago
  People like the guy I responded to think that because they have an axe to grind against Apple. Notice how he said "Apple's app ecosystem" and not "Android app ecosystem", when Google's platform is just as robust? And didn't Microsoft start it with ActiveX and IE? Or how about "Works best with Netscape Navigator"? But no, it's Apple's fault. Everything is Apple's fault.
  - bigbugbag 9y ago
    Maybe I'm wrong but my interpretation was quite different. To me he's just pointing out a fact, to me along the 20+ years since I've been aware of the issue many things happened or didn't happen but a few specific things come out of the pack, including the one he cited. To me you came out as the apple fanboy who cannot stand that apple is part of the issue and that it is undeniably apple who popularized the "app store" model, emblematic of the problem at hands. It's only after apple's success that the others followed suit and copied the model to recreate their own distinct impossible to interconnect ecosystem. Even Mozilla has one now. Yes Apple is among the GAFAM who are to blame among many others for the current state of things, but ultimately the failure is in us who chose voluntary submission to new masters, who failed to use our technical knowledge to provide to other less technically inclined, who failed to force ISP to offer the means to self host, and so on I guess this is quite an illustration of "don't argue with fools, from a distance people may not be able to tell the difference".
bigbugbag 9y ago
Of course they have. When you have to use an app and a specific hardware to access content instead of the browser it's an open unless its closed internet (see tapas.io for one such example). The walled garden model is causing the closed internet.