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I've found the coverage of this Larsen C rift to be disquieting since I read that the people studying it don't link the event to climate change: >"The team say

by nonbel 9y ago

I've found the coverage of this Larsen C rift to be disquieting since I read that the people studying it don't link the event to climate change: >"The team say they have no evidence to link the growth of this rift, and the eventual calving, to climate change." https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170602112819.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170602112819.h... It seems that everyone in the media or commenting on the internet suddenly knows better than the experts on this topic.

wavefunction 9y ago
All they said was that they don't have evidence for a link, which may be because there is no link, there is a link but they haven't found the evidence yet, or a link was never within the scope of their study. You're basically claiming they found evidence disproving a link with the "don't link the event to climate change."
- nonbel 9y ago
  >'You're basically claiming they found evidence disproving a link with the "don't link the event to climate change."' No I am not. But by default I would assume all such events (really every event on earth) are somehow linked to climate change... it is exceptional to me that they claim to have no evidence for this. Edit: Isn't it interesting that everyone except them (who are the apparent experts here) seems to have no problem linking it with climate change, including me?
  - DennisP 9y ago
    This comes up a lot in climate discussions. There's a record hurricane or heat wave, but these things happen randomly so there's no way to say definitively that one particular event would not have happened without climate change. But we do know that overall, climate change causes stronger hurricanes and hotter heat waves. In the same way, we know smoking causes lung cancer, but if you're a smoker who gets lung cancer, nobody can say for sure that the smoking caused it, because some nonsmokers get lung cancer too. They just don't get it as often.
    - danieltillett 9y ago
      Science is hard; let's go shopping.
    - jfnixon 9y ago
      "But we do know that overall, climate change causes stronger hurricanes" How do we know this? I can find all sorts of papers predicting stronger hurricanes, but just like the predictions of more numerous hurricanes, there seems to be little observational evidence of the effect. Here's the measured Accumulated Cyclone Energy, worldwide, 1970-2016. The total energy seems to peak in the mid 1990s. Is this consistent with claims of stronger hurricanes and more destructive hurricane seasons? https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/accumulated_cyclone_energy.asp?basin=gl https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/accumulated_cyclone_e...
ocschwar 9y ago
Nobody can link any particular home run from Barry Bonds to the steroids he took, either.
- nonbel 9y ago
  So you are saying it is linked to climate change anyway (but this is impossible to get evidence for) or what? There is a very curious social phenomenon going on regarding this event.
  - ocschwar 9y ago
    I'm saying at this point it's wiser to say that it is than to say that it isn't.
    - nonbel 9y ago
      Yes, so you think you know better than the experts. This is what I said originally, there is a strange phenomenon in this case that many people think they know more than the people studying this rift, including me.

by nonbel 9y ago

wavefunction 9y ago

All they said was that they don't have evidence for a link, which may be because there is no link, there is a link but they haven't found the evidence yet, or a link was never within the scope of their study. You're basically claiming they found evidence disproving a link with the "don't link the event to climate change."

nonbel 9y ago
>'You're basically claiming they found evidence disproving a link with the "don't link the event to climate change."' No I am not. But by default I would assume all such events (really every event on earth) are somehow linked to climate change... it is exceptional to me that they claim to have no evidence for this. Edit: Isn't it interesting that everyone except them (who are the apparent experts here) seems to have no problem linking it with climate change, including me?
- DennisP 9y ago
  This comes up a lot in climate discussions. There's a record hurricane or heat wave, but these things happen randomly so there's no way to say definitively that one particular event would not have happened without climate change. But we do know that overall, climate change causes stronger hurricanes and hotter heat waves. In the same way, we know smoking causes lung cancer, but if you're a smoker who gets lung cancer, nobody can say for sure that the smoking caused it, because some nonsmokers get lung cancer too. They just don't get it as often.
  - danieltillett 9y ago
    Science is hard; let's go shopping.
  - jfnixon 9y ago
    "But we do know that overall, climate change causes stronger hurricanes" How do we know this? I can find all sorts of papers predicting stronger hurricanes, but just like the predictions of more numerous hurricanes, there seems to be little observational evidence of the effect. Here's the measured Accumulated Cyclone Energy, worldwide, 1970-2016. The total energy seems to peak in the mid 1990s. Is this consistent with claims of stronger hurricanes and more destructive hurricane seasons? https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/accumulated_cyclone_energy.asp?basin=gl https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/accumulated_cyclone_e...

ocschwar 9y ago

Nobody can link any particular home run from Barry Bonds to the steroids he took, either.

nonbel 9y ago
So you are saying it is linked to climate change anyway (but this is impossible to get evidence for) or what? There is a very curious social phenomenon going on regarding this event.
- ocschwar 9y ago
  I'm saying at this point it's wiser to say that it is than to say that it isn't.
  - nonbel 9y ago
    Yes, so you think you know better than the experts. This is what I said originally, there is a strange phenomenon in this case that many people think they know more than the people studying this rift, including me.