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https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/03/roger-marshall-kansas-obamacare/ https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/03/roger-marshall-kansas-ob... >“Just like Jesus said, ‘The poor will always be with us,’” he said. “There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.” >Pressed on that point, Marshall shrugged. No seriously, some people have a really fucked up reading of "the poor will always be with us" and some of those people are actually in charge of things. for some context on that particular bible quote: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/03/03/ignorant-jerks-abusing-poor-will-always-will-always/ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/03/03/ignorant... Jesus is solid on this one, that doesn't mean people don't build their beliefs on some weird interpretations of what some one once told them Jesus said.

throwanem 9y ago
I'm not sure why it makes sense to dismiss the entire faith on the basis of some sinners who twist Christ's words against Christ's example. I hope for the sake of his soul that he doesn't realize what he's doing.
- Avshalom 9y ago
  I... didn't?
  - throwanem 9y ago
    You...kind of did? I mean, I get that the people you're talking about call themselves Christian, but they no more merit taking at their word on the matter than if I say I'm vegan while halfway through a porterhouse. You know Mark and Deuteronomy. Do you know Matthew? "You shall know them by their fruits." And: "[T]hen will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Christ himself would not call these men Christian. Why should you or I take them at their word when they call themselves so?
    - Avshalom 9y ago
      I never called them christians did I? I said fucked up theology (among other possibilities) is a reason people would intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves
      - throwanem 9y ago
        You didn't use the word, but I think it's a real stretch to argue that that wasn't your meaning. Can we compromise on "heretical corruption of Christianity"? I should think that'd be imprecatory enough for just about anyone - it certainly has more and sharper teeth than inaccurate and mere milquetoast 'theology'! - and it has the added virtue of not perpetuating a condition in which one such as myself finds it every bit as difficult and trepidatory to come out as Christian as, in an earlier time, he did to come out as gay. Perhaps that's not something with which you feel any need to concern yourself, even to this quite literally nominal degree; I can't say that isn't fair enough, but I would esteem it a kindness if you did.
Banthum 9y ago
“There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.” I'm aware that this isn't a nice thing to say, but are you really disputing that the sentence stands alone as a fact?

throwanem 9y ago

I'm not sure why it makes sense to dismiss the entire faith on the basis of some sinners who twist Christ's words against Christ's example. I hope for the sake of his soul that he doesn't realize what he's doing.

Avshalom 9y ago
I... didn't?
- throwanem 9y ago
  You...kind of did? I mean, I get that the people you're talking about call themselves Christian, but they no more merit taking at their word on the matter than if I say I'm vegan while halfway through a porterhouse. You know Mark and Deuteronomy. Do you know Matthew? "You shall know them by their fruits." And: "[T]hen will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Christ himself would not call these men Christian. Why should you or I take them at their word when they call themselves so?
  - Avshalom 9y ago
    I never called them christians did I? I said fucked up theology (among other possibilities) is a reason people would intentionally prevent poor people from helping themselves
    - throwanem 9y ago
      You didn't use the word, but I think it's a real stretch to argue that that wasn't your meaning. Can we compromise on "heretical corruption of Christianity"? I should think that'd be imprecatory enough for just about anyone - it certainly has more and sharper teeth than inaccurate and mere milquetoast 'theology'! - and it has the added virtue of not perpetuating a condition in which one such as myself finds it every bit as difficult and trepidatory to come out as Christian as, in an earlier time, he did to come out as gay. Perhaps that's not something with which you feel any need to concern yourself, even to this quite literally nominal degree; I can't say that isn't fair enough, but I would esteem it a kindness if you did.

Banthum 9y ago

“There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.” I'm aware that this isn't a nice thing to say, but are you really disputing that the sentence stands alone as a fact?