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Mate ID's expire every 6 years. Expired ID's are not valid ID's.

koolba 9y ago
Social security cards and birth certificates do not expire. Drivers licenses do expire, generally at 4-6 year time frames. Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was), most states allow one to renew it through the mail. Checking a box, signing a card, and paying a nominal fee once every four years does not seem particularly onerous to me. Though if it were up to me the fee would be entirely eliminated.
- maxerickson 9y ago
  Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was) She was evicted from her previous address!
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    And the older comment by that same user already acknowledges that.
    - koolba 9y ago
      She didn't have ID when she was evicted which means she had plenty of time to get one. If she had a license/state ID and answered the expiration mailer she would have had one.
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        No, it means that she went from a situation in which she still had plenty of time to get one into a situation where she suddenly had no time at all anymore. > If she had a license/state ID and answered the expiration mailer she would have had one. That assumes she had one to begin with. I know lots of Americans that don't even have a passport or driving license. Anyway, you're a cold one to stick to your theme of victim blaming, take into account that not everybody is able to navigate the bureaucracy as well as you or I and that there are other factors (for instance: analfabetism) that can land people in very difficult situations which even an expert would have a hard time to reverse. And in case it wasn't clear to you yet: And it shouldn't be that way, if you're a legal citizen of a country and you lose all your identification due to theft, fire or some other reason and/or you are homeless then your government should go out of its way to help correct the situation. Because it is the decent thing to do.
        maxerickson 9y ago
        This is essentially where I was coming from. In the article, we meet her in crisis. That she maybe could have renewed a license prior to being evicted doesn't help her any.
        koolba 9y ago
        Pointing out facts that would have prevented the situation isn't victim blaming. It's being truthful. The alternative is to accept that there is no personal responsibility (which I reject). As to the process of reestablishing a new set of identity docs. It's clearly overly onerous and just like everything else in life, even more so when you're poor. The decent thing to do for the government isn't just to make the edge case of the destitute easier. It's to make the general case easier. Getting an ID or renewing one should be so easy that there is no excuse.
        jacquesm 9y ago
        I sincerely hope that you will never be in a position to realize just how your comment comes across to me. At a guess you're young, well educated and compared to the lady in the article filthy rich. Your 'personal responsibility' works well for you given your background and status in life. But it's an easy argument to make when the results are not your problem. It does handily allow you to ignore the fate of those that are not as fortunate as you are, after all, if they had taken their responsibilities seriously then they would have nothing to complain about, case closed.
        deleted 9y ago
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        koolba 9y ago
        > I sincerely hope that you will never be in a position to realize just how your comment comes across to me. Am I to interpret that as a threat, a la "If you said that to my face and I'd punch you in yours!"? If so, I'd expect more from what I presume to be a grown man. > At a guess you're young, well educated and compared to the lady in the article filthy rich. In the interests of preserving pseudo anonymity I won't confirm or deny any of those guesses. The addition of "filthy" in the third piece of that does show more than a hint of inherent bias though. There's nothing virtuous or vile in being poor or rich, and discounting someone's opinions based on your presumptions of their economic status can only end badly. > Your 'personal responsibility' works well for you given your background and status in life. But it's an easy argument to make when the results are not your problem. It does handily allow you to ignore the fate of those that are not as fortunate as you are, after all, if they had taken their responsibilities seriously then they would have nothing to complain about, case closed. Not once did I say the situation is not unfortunate nor did I say things should be this difficult. I merely pointed out that it could also have been avoided and she had ample opportunity to do so. If resources are to be dedicated to helping out someone in this situation (which they should!), then they should also be dedicated to preventing it in the first place. A key part of that is acknowledging the personal responsibility component. Otherwise you're stuck repeatedly curing situations that could have otherwise been prevented.
  - koolba 9y ago
    But until she was evicted she was there and thus could have renewed her ID through the mail prior to this ordeal.
    - pdkl95 9y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis The real world is full of a lot more variance than you seem to believe. It is possible to do everything possible within your power correctly and still fall victim to this kind of misfortune. You're trying to force the world to fit your model. Instead, you need to fix your model to allow for non-100% ID coverage, because reality is always going to have complications, errors, mistakes, and unexpected interactions.
      - koolba 9y ago
        If more people were guided towards having proper identification and said ID was easier to attain/renew, then you'd have less of this extreme edge case. Arguably that'd lead to more resources to dedicate to better helping someone in this situation. For every person that is robbed, evicted, or some other misfortune, I'm sure there are plenty more that face no such immediate calamity. It's like medicine, a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
- SimbaOnSteroids 9y ago
  Social security cards and birth certificates are not a form of photo ID. Furthermore renewing an ID costs $30 which is a roundabout way of instituting a poll tax.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Drivers licenses do expire, generally at 4-6 year time frames. Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was), most states allow one to renew it through the mail. ...and paying a fee. Given that the article is about being poor, that's a non-trivial omission.

Social security cards and birth certificates do not expire. Drivers licenses do expire, generally at 4-6 year time frames. Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was), most states allow one to renew it through the mail. Checking a box, signing a card, and paying a nominal fee once every four years does not seem particularly onerous to me. Though if it were up to me the fee would be entirely eliminated.

maxerickson 9y ago
Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was) She was evicted from her previous address!
- jacquesm 9y ago
  And the older comment by that same user already acknowledges that.
  - koolba 9y ago
    She didn't have ID when she was evicted which means she had plenty of time to get one. If she had a license/state ID and answered the expiration mailer she would have had one.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      No, it means that she went from a situation in which she still had plenty of time to get one into a situation where she suddenly had no time at all anymore. > If she had a license/state ID and answered the expiration mailer she would have had one. That assumes she had one to begin with. I know lots of Americans that don't even have a passport or driving license. Anyway, you're a cold one to stick to your theme of victim blaming, take into account that not everybody is able to navigate the bureaucracy as well as you or I and that there are other factors (for instance: analfabetism) that can land people in very difficult situations which even an expert would have a hard time to reverse. And in case it wasn't clear to you yet: And it shouldn't be that way, if you're a legal citizen of a country and you lose all your identification due to theft, fire or some other reason and/or you are homeless then your government should go out of its way to help correct the situation. Because it is the decent thing to do.
      - maxerickson 9y ago
        This is essentially where I was coming from. In the article, we meet her in crisis. That she maybe could have renewed a license prior to being evicted doesn't help her any.
      - koolba 9y ago
        Pointing out facts that would have prevented the situation isn't victim blaming. It's being truthful. The alternative is to accept that there is no personal responsibility (which I reject). As to the process of reestablishing a new set of identity docs. It's clearly overly onerous and just like everything else in life, even more so when you're poor. The decent thing to do for the government isn't just to make the edge case of the destitute easier. It's to make the general case easier. Getting an ID or renewing one should be so easy that there is no excuse.
        jacquesm 9y ago
        I sincerely hope that you will never be in a position to realize just how your comment comes across to me. At a guess you're young, well educated and compared to the lady in the article filthy rich. Your 'personal responsibility' works well for you given your background and status in life. But it's an easy argument to make when the results are not your problem. It does handily allow you to ignore the fate of those that are not as fortunate as you are, after all, if they had taken their responsibilities seriously then they would have nothing to complain about, case closed.
        deleted 9y ago
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        koolba 9y ago
        > I sincerely hope that you will never be in a position to realize just how your comment comes across to me. Am I to interpret that as a threat, a la "If you said that to my face and I'd punch you in yours!"? If so, I'd expect more from what I presume to be a grown man. > At a guess you're young, well educated and compared to the lady in the article filthy rich. In the interests of preserving pseudo anonymity I won't confirm or deny any of those guesses. The addition of "filthy" in the third piece of that does show more than a hint of inherent bias though. There's nothing virtuous or vile in being poor or rich, and discounting someone's opinions based on your presumptions of their economic status can only end badly. > Your 'personal responsibility' works well for you given your background and status in life. But it's an easy argument to make when the results are not your problem. It does handily allow you to ignore the fate of those that are not as fortunate as you are, after all, if they had taken their responsibilities seriously then they would have nothing to complain about, case closed. Not once did I say the situation is not unfortunate nor did I say things should be this difficult. I merely pointed out that it could also have been avoided and she had ample opportunity to do so. If resources are to be dedicated to helping out someone in this situation (which they should!), then they should also be dedicated to preventing it in the first place. A key part of that is acknowledging the personal responsibility component. Otherwise you're stuck repeatedly curing situations that could have otherwise been prevented.
- koolba 9y ago
  But until she was evicted she was there and thus could have renewed her ID through the mail prior to this ordeal.
  - pdkl95 9y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis The real world is full of a lot more variance than you seem to believe. It is possible to do everything possible within your power correctly and still fall victim to this kind of misfortune. You're trying to force the world to fit your model. Instead, you need to fix your model to allow for non-100% ID coverage, because reality is always going to have complications, errors, mistakes, and unexpected interactions.
    - koolba 9y ago
      If more people were guided towards having proper identification and said ID was easier to attain/renew, then you'd have less of this extreme edge case. Arguably that'd lead to more resources to dedicate to better helping someone in this situation. For every person that is robbed, evicted, or some other misfortune, I'm sure there are plenty more that face no such immediate calamity. It's like medicine, a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
SimbaOnSteroids 9y ago
Social security cards and birth certificates are not a form of photo ID. Furthermore renewing an ID costs $30 which is a roundabout way of instituting a poll tax.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Drivers licenses do expire, generally at 4-6 year time frames. Assuming you're still at the same address (which she was), most states allow one to renew it through the mail. ...and paying a fee. Given that the article is about being poor, that's a non-trivial omission.