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So I can overlook the misdemeanor pocketing of a few bucks with the intent on giving it back, but you basically admit and brag about breaking the Computer Fraud

So I can overlook the misdemeanor pocketing of a few bucks with the intent on giving it back, but you basically admit and brag about breaking the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act as some kind of exercise of how clever you are for doing a dictionary attack against a weak and exposed key? Good luck sir.

problems 9y ago
Would CFAA really apply here? He's not accessing any computer illegitimately, the blockchain is public record, the key was posted to a public website. He's accessing the public siacoin network, posting transactions that anyone has permission to.
- IanCal 9y ago
  I'm not convinced that "posting to a public network" gets you out of the sketch. Sections 5-7 seem at least partially relevant, but then I'm neither in the US nor am I a lawyer anywhere else. Posting data to a remote system, with the clear intent of taking a thing of value from another person without permission. Perhaps it falls between the cracks, but I'd be reasonably surprised if it doesn't come under this or another similar act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
  - problems 9y ago
    Well, have a look at United States v. Kane, it basically indicates that if you don't exceed authorized access you're in the clear. It's hard to say that posting a cryptographic signature to a network design to accept them from anyone exceeds authorized access if pushing buttons to trigger an exploit on a poker machine doesn't. I'm sure you could have a pretty good argument in court if they went after you using CFAA. Other theft and fraud laws might cover it without issue though, just saying CFAA might not be the right choice here.
    - IanCal 9y ago
      Perhaps, again I'm not a lawyer. However, one of the things brought up is that they didn't do something with a computer “which is used in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or communication”. I don't know about the additional "unauthorised access" but I'd be surprised if someone can't make a case from cracking a password to do something on a network you know shouldn't be possible unless you were the person who owned the address.
  - thefifthsetpin 9y ago
    He didn't just post the passphrase, he also posted this: "If someone figures it out, I will send you free sias" I'd call that a clear invitation/authorization for anyone to try to crack his passphrase.
    - IanCal 9y ago
      Reasonable, but not an invitation to transfer the entire amount then setup an automated process to transfer any remaining amount to your own address.
      - kyle-rb 9y ago
        I don't know, I think transferring it was the reasonable thing to do, rather than leaving it in the compromised wallet. It's like if you find someone's (real) wallet, and you pick it up and contact the owner to ask where to drop it off. Rather than leaving it there and just telling the owner what street corner it's on.
        andai 9y ago
        Makes sense! Like when your neighbor leaves their door unlocked and you steal all their stuff just in case.
        averagewall 9y ago
        I recently heard about a guy who was arrested and charged for exactly that. He took a phone home that he found in a carpark, the owner texted it saying "please return to Subway" He went there the next day to hand it in and the police were waiting! Apparently he was supposed to have turned it in to any nearby business at the time he found it. Not tried to find out who owned it the next day.
        creepydata 9y ago
        Any nearby business? I thought lost property was to be turned into the police station. Otherwise the owner could call the cops on the business employees "I was never at Dunkin Donuts yesterday."
thefifthsetpin 9y ago
Imagine you were the person who decides whether or not to bring charges against Mr. Lynch. Would you? Alternatively: imagine you were selected to sit as a juror in such a case. Would you nullify?
tylersmith 9y ago
The alternative is leaving their money sitting in a compromised address. The options are take it and give it back, take it and keep it, or let some random person take it.
CPUstring 9y ago
This comment is unhelpful and negative for no reason. Somebody helping somebody else should not be dismissed but instead rewarded.

problems 9y ago

Would CFAA really apply here? He's not accessing any computer illegitimately, the blockchain is public record, the key was posted to a public website. He's accessing the public siacoin network, posting transactions that anyone has permission to.

IanCal 9y ago
I'm not convinced that "posting to a public network" gets you out of the sketch. Sections 5-7 seem at least partially relevant, but then I'm neither in the US nor am I a lawyer anywhere else. Posting data to a remote system, with the clear intent of taking a thing of value from another person without permission. Perhaps it falls between the cracks, but I'd be reasonably surprised if it doesn't come under this or another similar act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
- problems 9y ago
  Well, have a look at United States v. Kane, it basically indicates that if you don't exceed authorized access you're in the clear. It's hard to say that posting a cryptographic signature to a network design to accept them from anyone exceeds authorized access if pushing buttons to trigger an exploit on a poker machine doesn't. I'm sure you could have a pretty good argument in court if they went after you using CFAA. Other theft and fraud laws might cover it without issue though, just saying CFAA might not be the right choice here.
  - IanCal 9y ago
    Perhaps, again I'm not a lawyer. However, one of the things brought up is that they didn't do something with a computer “which is used in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce or communication”. I don't know about the additional "unauthorised access" but I'd be surprised if someone can't make a case from cracking a password to do something on a network you know shouldn't be possible unless you were the person who owned the address.
- thefifthsetpin 9y ago
  He didn't just post the passphrase, he also posted this: "If someone figures it out, I will send you free sias" I'd call that a clear invitation/authorization for anyone to try to crack his passphrase.
  - IanCal 9y ago
    Reasonable, but not an invitation to transfer the entire amount then setup an automated process to transfer any remaining amount to your own address.
    - kyle-rb 9y ago
      I don't know, I think transferring it was the reasonable thing to do, rather than leaving it in the compromised wallet. It's like if you find someone's (real) wallet, and you pick it up and contact the owner to ask where to drop it off. Rather than leaving it there and just telling the owner what street corner it's on.
      - andai 9y ago
        Makes sense! Like when your neighbor leaves their door unlocked and you steal all their stuff just in case.
      - averagewall 9y ago
        I recently heard about a guy who was arrested and charged for exactly that. He took a phone home that he found in a carpark, the owner texted it saying "please return to Subway" He went there the next day to hand it in and the police were waiting! Apparently he was supposed to have turned it in to any nearby business at the time he found it. Not tried to find out who owned it the next day.
        creepydata 9y ago
        Any nearby business? I thought lost property was to be turned into the police station. Otherwise the owner could call the cops on the business employees "I was never at Dunkin Donuts yesterday."

thefifthsetpin 9y ago

Imagine you were the person who decides whether or not to bring charges against Mr. Lynch. Would you? Alternatively: imagine you were selected to sit as a juror in such a case. Would you nullify?

tylersmith 9y ago

The alternative is leaving their money sitting in a compromised address. The options are take it and give it back, take it and keep it, or let some random person take it.

CPUstring 9y ago

This comment is unhelpful and negative for no reason. Somebody helping somebody else should not be dismissed but instead rewarded.