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Its called "Fachinformatiker". Its basically a lower tiered version of the University CS degree. Its what is felt to be needed to be taken serious as an "IT-Per

Its called "Fachinformatiker". Its basically a lower tiered version of the University CS degree. Its what is felt to be needed to be taken serious as an "IT-Person" in Germany. That said nobody ever asked me for that Piece of paper let after 15 years and 4 companys :P there are 2 main tracks - one is hardware oriented the other more software oriented. In practice that means slightly more electronics or programming classes. The stuff taught is certainly more practical than the stuff you learn at university but its geared toward 16 years olds. None in my class was that age. It was very surreal being treated as a kid again. And the mandatory ethics and German courses (as well as Sports class) were are real pita.

tomcam 9y ago
Quite informative, thank you. Can you explain the ethics issue? Or do you simply mean you or forced to take ethics courses?
- Lev1a 9y ago
  IIRC they could mean two possible classes by using the term "Ethics": * "Ethik-/Philosophieunterricht": basically you learn philosophy, ie. critical thinking, approaching problems/issues from different points of view, or * "Ethikunterricht" as in learning ethical behaviour in the context of the profession you're striving to be in, which is most likely common sense crap that HAS to be taught so even "the last idiot" gets it or is at least on the record as having been taught this stuff so the school is not "liable" for potential ethics issues caused by the student. I could very much be wrong about the latter point as I am enrolled in a similar, but more specialized "learning track" at a German "Fachhochschule" and not in a vocational school.
geff82 9y ago
After years of being successfully self employed in IT, I do my Fachinformatiker-Exam this year for the fun of doing it AND to have the right papers to be part of the gang. In the rare occadions I got asked what I had done before, people looked a bit weired when I told them I was a car salesman a decade ago.

tomcam 9y ago

Quite informative, thank you. Can you explain the ethics issue? Or do you simply mean you or forced to take ethics courses?

Lev1a 9y ago
IIRC they could mean two possible classes by using the term "Ethics": * "Ethik-/Philosophieunterricht": basically you learn philosophy, ie. critical thinking, approaching problems/issues from different points of view, or * "Ethikunterricht" as in learning ethical behaviour in the context of the profession you're striving to be in, which is most likely common sense crap that HAS to be taught so even "the last idiot" gets it or is at least on the record as having been taught this stuff so the school is not "liable" for potential ethics issues caused by the student. I could very much be wrong about the latter point as I am enrolled in a similar, but more specialized "learning track" at a German "Fachhochschule" and not in a vocational school.

geff82 9y ago

After years of being successfully self employed in IT, I do my Fachinformatiker-Exam this year for the fun of doing it AND to have the right papers to be part of the gang. In the rare occadions I got asked what I had done before, people looked a bit weired when I told them I was a car salesman a decade ago.