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Living in Washington State, I've watched the Machinist Union almost cause Boeing to completely leave the state of Washington, and even though Boeing stayed, the

Living in Washington State, I've watched the Machinist Union almost cause Boeing to completely leave the state of Washington, and even though Boeing stayed, they moved a lot of their work to other plants. So yes it is a very dangerous game.

unionsarentgood 9y ago
At least unions for private companies make a little sense. Unions for public agencies are a drain on society.
tclancy 9y ago
Can you provide a little more detail on how the union caused them to leave and not tax incentives from other states?
- Kocrachon 9y ago
  WA already provides massive tax incentives, and further increased them to get them to stay. To say the massive strike going on at the time had nothing to do with it would be disingenuous.
- brightball 9y ago
  Pretty sure this didn't help: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-unions-move-to-end-strike/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-unions-move-to-end-strike... > Boeing's value has reportedly fallen by about $5.3 billion since the walkout began and that strikers have lost more than $125 million in wages Followed by this 8 years later... http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/06/news/companies/boeing_strike_begins/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/06/news/companies/boeing_strike... And then this 5 years later... http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/20/news/companies/boeing-strike-threat/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/20/news/companies/boeing-strike... At some point, it's getting ridiculous.
  - tclancy 9y ago
    Unions exercising the one power they have 3x in 15 years (by your timeline; the url dates suggest otherwise) is ridiculous? What should they have done instead?
    - brightball 9y ago
      This was a rejected offer from that 2008 article. The url without a date on it was March 17, 2000. > The company had offered union members raises over the next three years totaling 11% of current pay. Boeing also offered bonuses and pension improvements it said would give the typical worker about $34,000 in additional pay and benefits during that time. When you're given offers like that and rejecting them and it becomes a pattern that the company can expect to cost them billions of dollars every few years...what exactly do you expect company execs to do? Not have backup plans? This is a company that's literally handing out jobs throughout a lot of the worst periods of the US economy...and it warrants constant strikes? Look up some Airbus strikes for comparison. The articles I've seen are strikes over job cuts. There was a German strike at 4 plants that lasted...90 minutes. At some point...yes...it is ridiculous and there are a lot of other people who would be more than happy to have the jobs you're striking over.
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unionsarentgood 9y ago

At least unions for private companies make a little sense. Unions for public agencies are a drain on society.

tclancy 9y ago

Can you provide a little more detail on how the union caused them to leave and not tax incentives from other states?

Kocrachon 9y ago
WA already provides massive tax incentives, and further increased them to get them to stay. To say the massive strike going on at the time had nothing to do with it would be disingenuous.
brightball 9y ago
Pretty sure this didn't help: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-unions-move-to-end-strike/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-unions-move-to-end-strike... > Boeing's value has reportedly fallen by about $5.3 billion since the walkout began and that strikers have lost more than $125 million in wages Followed by this 8 years later... http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/06/news/companies/boeing_strike_begins/index.htm http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/06/news/companies/boeing_strike... And then this 5 years later... http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/20/news/companies/boeing-strike-threat/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/20/news/companies/boeing-strike... At some point, it's getting ridiculous.
- tclancy 9y ago
  Unions exercising the one power they have 3x in 15 years (by your timeline; the url dates suggest otherwise) is ridiculous? What should they have done instead?
  - brightball 9y ago
    This was a rejected offer from that 2008 article. The url without a date on it was March 17, 2000. > The company had offered union members raises over the next three years totaling 11% of current pay. Boeing also offered bonuses and pension improvements it said would give the typical worker about $34,000 in additional pay and benefits during that time. When you're given offers like that and rejecting them and it becomes a pattern that the company can expect to cost them billions of dollars every few years...what exactly do you expect company execs to do? Not have backup plans? This is a company that's literally handing out jobs throughout a lot of the worst periods of the US economy...and it warrants constant strikes? Look up some Airbus strikes for comparison. The articles I've seen are strikes over job cuts. There was a German strike at 4 plants that lasted...90 minutes. At some point...yes...it is ridiculous and there are a lot of other people who would be more than happy to have the jobs you're striking over.

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