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I've spent a lot of time in country X. They all want Y. Okay. That's the kind of crap that was in the 1800's, that's still in the 2010's, unfortunately. Your

by meric 9y ago

I've spent a lot of time in country X. They all want Y. Okay. That's the kind of crap that was in the 1800's, that's still in the 2010's, unfortunately. Your words sound like something from a grown up bully jealous of their victim's achievements in life.

subterfudge44 9y ago
China is deeply racist and expansionist. Their claims on various parts of India are totally ridiculous. Their annexation Tibet is also blatantly illegal. China is not USA, it is not full of white people and multiculturalism. China will eventually trigger WW-3.
myrandomcomment 9y ago
How do you know I am not Chinese or my wife is not? Or my best friend? Or someone in my family? I wish the best for China and the Chinese people. I hope for a peaceful and prosperous future. That however does not involve the threat to take Taiwan by force or claiming all of the South China Sea as theirs. What I was trying to say is that my opinion is not informed based on what I have read in the press but based on the fact that I have spent time in the country and have read the local press, and spoken with the local people. The humiliation faced by the Chinese at the hand of the western powers is a common theme of books and movies and TV shows in China.
- meric 9y ago
  Well, for one, I am Chinese. My parents are Chinese, so are my grandparents, and their grandparents. I've listened to my grandmother talk about her grandparents, who are from the 1800's. Of course we're drawn to movies and books and TV shows from that era. Same reason why teenagers in Europe are interested in Medieval stuff and Roman empire stuff. It's part of their history. Is China taking Taiwan by force? Taiwan has been developing peacefully for almost 70 years since the civil war, I don't see any violence over there. ..."claiming all of the South China Sea as theirs" Lots of governments do lots of crap, does that mean we can say the whole country and all its people want it? And what does U.S. has anything to do with any of this stuff, anyway. Sure I understand if China was doing things in Mexico or the Caribbean, but I don't understand why they want to meddle in Ukraine, Syria, Afghanistan, and South China Sea, and then call Russia, Iran, China as agitators. Do I think that's what the U.S. public support? Meddle in countries half way around the world? No! And thanks for your best wishes.
  - myrandomcomment 9y ago
    The claim of the South China Sea is a violation of International Law and the Convention of the Sea. China has publicly acknowledged they are pointing DF-16 missiles at Taiwan. China has publicly stated they will use force to prevent an independent Taiwan, despite the fact that Taiwan is a functioning democracy, unlike China. China arrest and brutalized dissidents. The rule of law in China is what ever the current leader says it is - Where is 吳小暉 (Wu Xiaohui)? China kidnapped booksellers from Hong Kong in violation of the treaty that governs Hong Kong because of their political views. I could make a list a mile long. I stand by my statement that China's rise to power is scary because the motivations of the government of China are not driven by democratic principles that provides for checks on power. The USA could have had an empire after WW2 and there was NO ONE IN THE WORLD that could have stopped them. Instead the USA paid even more of their money to re-built the world and help the countries which they fought. The USA makes stupid mistakes sometimes, but they alway eventually sort it and sort it on the right side of history even if it takes time.
    - meric 9y ago
      None of that has anything to do with "Pay back for humiliation in the 1800's". What you've described is actions of the Chinese government, I don't believe for one second Chinese people support all these actions - I do not, my parents do not, and my grandparents do not, therefore it's not true. Do my grandparents want "payback" on the Japanese for her suffering in world war 2? If she does I won't begrudge her for that. But you cannot claim I do.
      - tanderson92 9y ago
        When describing the broad beliefs of a group of people, there is general agreement that the beliefs are not held universally. I would think we can all agree on that; therefore your mention of your family (which is itself necessarily highly correlated and less representative) is of suspect value.
      - perseusprime11 9y ago
        Can you point to any links that shows the chinese people protest on streets about their Govt's stance on south china sea, Tibet and Taiwan? If they don't, does that not mean they agree 100% with their Govt?
dang 9y ago
> Your words sound like something from a grown up bully jealous This crosses into incivility and personal attack, and those things are not allowed here. Please edit all that out of your comments when you post. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14565533 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14565533 and marked it off-topic.

by meric 9y ago

subterfudge44 9y ago

China is deeply racist and expansionist. Their claims on various parts of India are totally ridiculous. Their annexation Tibet is also blatantly illegal. China is not USA, it is not full of white people and multiculturalism. China will eventually trigger WW-3.

myrandomcomment 9y ago

How do you know I am not Chinese or my wife is not? Or my best friend? Or someone in my family? I wish the best for China and the Chinese people. I hope for a peaceful and prosperous future. That however does not involve the threat to take Taiwan by force or claiming all of the South China Sea as theirs. What I was trying to say is that my opinion is not informed based on what I have read in the press but based on the fact that I have spent time in the country and have read the local press, and spoken with the local people. The humiliation faced by the Chinese at the hand of the western powers is a common theme of books and movies and TV shows in China.

meric 9y ago
Well, for one, I am Chinese. My parents are Chinese, so are my grandparents, and their grandparents. I've listened to my grandmother talk about her grandparents, who are from the 1800's. Of course we're drawn to movies and books and TV shows from that era. Same reason why teenagers in Europe are interested in Medieval stuff and Roman empire stuff. It's part of their history. Is China taking Taiwan by force? Taiwan has been developing peacefully for almost 70 years since the civil war, I don't see any violence over there. ..."claiming all of the South China Sea as theirs" Lots of governments do lots of crap, does that mean we can say the whole country and all its people want it? And what does U.S. has anything to do with any of this stuff, anyway. Sure I understand if China was doing things in Mexico or the Caribbean, but I don't understand why they want to meddle in Ukraine, Syria, Afghanistan, and South China Sea, and then call Russia, Iran, China as agitators. Do I think that's what the U.S. public support? Meddle in countries half way around the world? No! And thanks for your best wishes.
- myrandomcomment 9y ago
  The claim of the South China Sea is a violation of International Law and the Convention of the Sea. China has publicly acknowledged they are pointing DF-16 missiles at Taiwan. China has publicly stated they will use force to prevent an independent Taiwan, despite the fact that Taiwan is a functioning democracy, unlike China. China arrest and brutalized dissidents. The rule of law in China is what ever the current leader says it is - Where is 吳小暉 (Wu Xiaohui)? China kidnapped booksellers from Hong Kong in violation of the treaty that governs Hong Kong because of their political views. I could make a list a mile long. I stand by my statement that China's rise to power is scary because the motivations of the government of China are not driven by democratic principles that provides for checks on power. The USA could have had an empire after WW2 and there was NO ONE IN THE WORLD that could have stopped them. Instead the USA paid even more of their money to re-built the world and help the countries which they fought. The USA makes stupid mistakes sometimes, but they alway eventually sort it and sort it on the right side of history even if it takes time.
  - meric 9y ago
    None of that has anything to do with "Pay back for humiliation in the 1800's". What you've described is actions of the Chinese government, I don't believe for one second Chinese people support all these actions - I do not, my parents do not, and my grandparents do not, therefore it's not true. Do my grandparents want "payback" on the Japanese for her suffering in world war 2? If she does I won't begrudge her for that. But you cannot claim I do.
    - tanderson92 9y ago
      When describing the broad beliefs of a group of people, there is general agreement that the beliefs are not held universally. I would think we can all agree on that; therefore your mention of your family (which is itself necessarily highly correlated and less representative) is of suspect value.
    - perseusprime11 9y ago
      Can you point to any links that shows the chinese people protest on streets about their Govt's stance on south china sea, Tibet and Taiwan? If they don't, does that not mean they agree 100% with their Govt?

dang 9y ago

> Your words sound like something from a grown up bully jealous This crosses into incivility and personal attack, and those things are not allowed here. Please edit all that out of your comments when you post. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14565533 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14565533 and marked it off-topic.