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I don't really have a problem with the UI; I want Ableton to fix the other annoyances first: * Saving the project resets the undo history. A someone who freque

I don't really have a problem with the UI; I want Ableton to fix the other annoyances first: * Saving the project resets the undo history. A someone who frequently saves, this is super frustrating. * No normal zoom controls. You have to use the "minimap" at the top. * Only a single project can be open at once, which makes copying from old projects tedious unless you shuffle files around into your current project. * Tracks can only be grouped one level deep, i.e., no subgrouping. Most DAWs give you arbitrary grouping depths. * No way to overlay multiple tracks in the piano roll. I end up starting in one group and extracting to individual buses afterward. This doesn't work well the other way around. My biggest wish for the next version is project versioning. It's an absolute nightmare managing so many save "checkpoints", especially, as I mentioned, you can only have a single project open at once.

cmicali 9y ago
You got all of my wish list with 2 additions: * ability to favorite plugins (please!) * aliases on the arrange page
- iamchrisle 9y ago
  Workaround: Make your plugin with settings as you want, then group it so it's inside an instrument rack. Then drag the rack into the browser and into a folder of your choosing. When you want to use it again, drag the saved rack into your project. The plugins settings will be restored.
33degrees 9y ago
Have you tried Bitwig? I haven't but I believe it does address a few of these things
- Cshelton 9y ago
  I've been using Bitwig and really like it. It still has a few bugs here and theee but I think the productivity gain over Ableton is good. I haven't come across anything Ableton does that Bitwig can't either.
  - creativeembassy 9y ago
    I want to switch over to Bitwig completely, but I've also been learning Max/MSP. Bitwig would make me more productive IMO, but Max/MSP is a creative goldmine. I can't really take Max/MSP with me to Bitwig, I don't believe there are any efforts at integrating the two... and Ableton just bought Cycling '74 last week.
crmd 9y ago
Live customer since 4.0. Spot on.
brandonmenc 9y ago
MPE (Multidimensional Polyphonic Expression) is also sorely needed.
foxhill 9y ago
from the other side, as a plugin developer, it frustrates me no end that Live doesn't support VST3. i wish they would fix this.
- exabrial 9y ago
  How does one get into that? I've wanted to try my hand
  - dspig 9y ago
    start reading the developer forum at https://www.kvraudio.com/ https://www.kvraudio.com/
zkSNARK 9y ago
Project versioning is my top request as well, aside from Linux compatibility.
ter0 9y ago
For project versioning I've had a good experience with Splice [0]. It has also got some features for project collaboration which are nice, as well as a marketplace for samples and synths. I believe it also supports most of the big name DAWs, although I've only ever used it with Ableton. [0] https://splice.com/ https://splice.com/
- thedaniel 9y ago
  cosign for splice, i have been using it since beta and now it's an essential part of my workflow - i don't really use their collab stuff much (just to send people projects, not to actually collab on them), 90% of my use is backup and versioning. Still I can't imagine going without it.
sideshowb 9y ago
Going to preferences and setting "allow multiple instances" lets you open multiple projects. Hth
TheOtherHobbes 9y ago
Good list. And other basics: * support for mono tracks * sys-ex for everything, not just Push 2 * VST 3 * a completely open API, not just the selected highlights that are available now
- SeanLuke 9y ago
  I would add: NRPN support
thedaniel 9y ago
> * Only a single project can be open at once, which makes copying from old projects tedious unless you shuffle files around into your current project. You can drop entire projects from the Finder into open projects, which is clunky but does make things a TINY bit less tedious
listentojohan 9y ago
The resetting of undo history when saving have had me screaming more than once...
_aethos 9y ago
I also vote for having note chasing, which is activating midi notes even when starting playback in the middle of the note. In logic it's just a checkbox. Surely it can't be too hard?

cmicali 9y ago

You got all of my wish list with 2 additions: * ability to favorite plugins (please!) * aliases on the arrange page

iamchrisle 9y ago
Workaround: Make your plugin with settings as you want, then group it so it's inside an instrument rack. Then drag the rack into the browser and into a folder of your choosing. When you want to use it again, drag the saved rack into your project. The plugins settings will be restored.

33degrees 9y ago

Have you tried Bitwig? I haven't but I believe it does address a few of these things

Cshelton 9y ago
I've been using Bitwig and really like it. It still has a few bugs here and theee but I think the productivity gain over Ableton is good. I haven't come across anything Ableton does that Bitwig can't either.
- creativeembassy 9y ago
  I want to switch over to Bitwig completely, but I've also been learning Max/MSP. Bitwig would make me more productive IMO, but Max/MSP is a creative goldmine. I can't really take Max/MSP with me to Bitwig, I don't believe there are any efforts at integrating the two... and Ableton just bought Cycling '74 last week.

crmd 9y ago

Live customer since 4.0. Spot on.

brandonmenc 9y ago

MPE (Multidimensional Polyphonic Expression) is also sorely needed.

foxhill 9y ago

from the other side, as a plugin developer, it frustrates me no end that Live doesn't support VST3. i wish they would fix this.

exabrial 9y ago
How does one get into that? I've wanted to try my hand
- dspig 9y ago
  start reading the developer forum at https://www.kvraudio.com/ https://www.kvraudio.com/

zkSNARK 9y ago

Project versioning is my top request as well, aside from Linux compatibility.

ter0 9y ago

For project versioning I've had a good experience with Splice [0]. It has also got some features for project collaboration which are nice, as well as a marketplace for samples and synths. I believe it also supports most of the big name DAWs, although I've only ever used it with Ableton. [0] https://splice.com/ https://splice.com/

thedaniel 9y ago
cosign for splice, i have been using it since beta and now it's an essential part of my workflow - i don't really use their collab stuff much (just to send people projects, not to actually collab on them), 90% of my use is backup and versioning. Still I can't imagine going without it.

sideshowb 9y ago

Going to preferences and setting "allow multiple instances" lets you open multiple projects. Hth

TheOtherHobbes 9y ago

Good list. And other basics: * support for mono tracks * sys-ex for everything, not just Push 2 * VST 3 * a completely open API, not just the selected highlights that are available now

SeanLuke 9y ago
I would add: NRPN support

thedaniel 9y ago

> * Only a single project can be open at once, which makes copying from old projects tedious unless you shuffle files around into your current project. You can drop entire projects from the Finder into open projects, which is clunky but does make things a TINY bit less tedious

listentojohan 9y ago

The resetting of undo history when saving have had me screaming more than once...

_aethos 9y ago

I also vote for having note chasing, which is activating midi notes even when starting playback in the middle of the note. In logic it's just a checkbox. Surely it can't be too hard?