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I know, right? Worst. Country. Ever. /s

sctb 9y ago
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grasshopperpurp 9y ago
Best. Response. Ever. /s
- MrZongle2 9y ago
  It seemed appropriate, given the inanity of the parent comment. The United States: a human-rights-abusing farce of a country that is such a hellhole that over a million people from other countries legally immigrate to it every year, half that number are estimated to illegally immigrate to it annually, and the country's judicial system takes a stance to prevent its President from stemming the tide of inbound visitors and prospective residents. It must be a horrible place.
  - erikpukinskis 9y ago
    I don't see any contradiction there. It can be a place of many human rights abuses and a desirable place to immigrate. If an immigrant thinks they can avoid the abuses, then it might make sense to come anyway. It also might make sense if they are facing worse abuses back home. But either of those things could be true while still having many U.S. citizens whose rights are being violated. The truth remains that the U.S. only protects the rights of some groups of its citizens, not all of them, which is contradictory to the brand we project.
  - tveita 9y ago
    The people in these prisons essentially live in a different USA than you do, one where punishment from authorities can be harsh and arbitrary with no due process, where human rights violations are rampant, and where they have no democratic vote. The kind of country I would like to think many of us would rebel against, if we found ourselves living there.
  - vikasg 9y ago
    Were you born and raised in a vat of frothy callous logic or did you choose to climb into it?
    - dang 9y ago
      Personal attacks are not allowed on HN and will get your account banned, so please don't post them, regardless of how wrong or annoying another comment was.
erikpukinskis 9y ago
That's a straw man argument. No one claimed it was the worst country ever.
- MrZongle2 9y ago
  A country that would, and I quote, "...blatantly violate every kind of basic human right" doesn't sound particularly nice, does it? Every kind of basic human right? I guess we're tied with North Korea, then? If that's the United States, who's worse?
  - erikpukinskis 9y ago
    You really don't see the difference between the phrases "worst country ever" and "not particularly nice"? You're going to have a hard time both learning and teaching if you can't reign in your language a little. No one around you is actually understanding you because your language doesn't represent your true thoughts. You are the only person hearing the arguments you think you're having.
    - MrZongle2 9y ago
      "You're going to have a hard time both learning and teaching if you can't reign in your language a little." Did you happen to see the original post I responded to....with the "and then they blatantly violate every kind of basic human right" nonsense? My response was due to the hyperbolic nature of that statement. It was sarcasm, you know, thus the /s at the end. It is this breathless, over-the-top outrage that I object to, and so if somebody supports that position I'd like to know where exactly they draw the line: is the US truly a terrible country, the worst country ever, or just somewhere in the bottom 10%? If we're going to be absurd, let's get a handle on where the boundary is. You, on the other hand, appear to have missed the entire point here. But thanks for the sanctimonious lecture.
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sctb 9y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14562278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14562278 and marked it off-topic.

grasshopperpurp 9y ago

Best. Response. Ever. /s

MrZongle2 9y ago
It seemed appropriate, given the inanity of the parent comment. The United States: a human-rights-abusing farce of a country that is such a hellhole that over a million people from other countries legally immigrate to it every year, half that number are estimated to illegally immigrate to it annually, and the country's judicial system takes a stance to prevent its President from stemming the tide of inbound visitors and prospective residents. It must be a horrible place.
- erikpukinskis 9y ago
  I don't see any contradiction there. It can be a place of many human rights abuses and a desirable place to immigrate. If an immigrant thinks they can avoid the abuses, then it might make sense to come anyway. It also might make sense if they are facing worse abuses back home. But either of those things could be true while still having many U.S. citizens whose rights are being violated. The truth remains that the U.S. only protects the rights of some groups of its citizens, not all of them, which is contradictory to the brand we project.
- tveita 9y ago
  The people in these prisons essentially live in a different USA than you do, one where punishment from authorities can be harsh and arbitrary with no due process, where human rights violations are rampant, and where they have no democratic vote. The kind of country I would like to think many of us would rebel against, if we found ourselves living there.
- vikasg 9y ago
  Were you born and raised in a vat of frothy callous logic or did you choose to climb into it?
  - dang 9y ago
    Personal attacks are not allowed on HN and will get your account banned, so please don't post them, regardless of how wrong or annoying another comment was.

erikpukinskis 9y ago

That's a straw man argument. No one claimed it was the worst country ever.

MrZongle2 9y ago
A country that would, and I quote, "...blatantly violate every kind of basic human right" doesn't sound particularly nice, does it? Every kind of basic human right? I guess we're tied with North Korea, then? If that's the United States, who's worse?
- erikpukinskis 9y ago
  You really don't see the difference between the phrases "worst country ever" and "not particularly nice"? You're going to have a hard time both learning and teaching if you can't reign in your language a little. No one around you is actually understanding you because your language doesn't represent your true thoughts. You are the only person hearing the arguments you think you're having.
  - MrZongle2 9y ago
    "You're going to have a hard time both learning and teaching if you can't reign in your language a little." Did you happen to see the original post I responded to....with the "and then they blatantly violate every kind of basic human right" nonsense? My response was due to the hyperbolic nature of that statement. It was sarcasm, you know, thus the /s at the end. It is this breathless, over-the-top outrage that I object to, and so if somebody supports that position I'd like to know where exactly they draw the line: is the US truly a terrible country, the worst country ever, or just somewhere in the bottom 10%? If we're going to be absurd, let's get a handle on where the boundary is. You, on the other hand, appear to have missed the entire point here. But thanks for the sanctimonious lecture.
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