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Unions are organizations like any other. You can structure it on merit or on politics, and you can't blanket all unions as acting the same way. Most have awful

by zanny 9y ago

Unions are organizations like any other. You can structure it on merit or on politics, and you can't blanket all unions as acting the same way. Most have awful charters meant to just enfranchise the established old guard at the expense of new blood, but they don't have to do it that way. It is also a bit funny to demonize unions in a conversation about a company that uses its own largess to ruin the lives of former employees.

kenoh 9y ago
I have to agree with you on the the humor of that. It's the original "But her emails".
tomohawk 9y ago
Perhaps you could point me to some unions that operate in this egalitarian way. I haven't seen them. As a thought experiment, just how would a union decide to protect or not protect a worker in a certain situation? By adherence to union rules? These are often inflexible, counterproductive, and morale destroying. Have you ever worked in a shop where you were not allowed to plug or unplug an appliance because thats a job for the electricians union? I have. It took several weeks to install a copier because of the unions involved. The movers couldn't unplug the thing, so they left when they saw it was plugged in. That company is no longer in business. What happened to the workers? Perhaps the workers could be protected by always siding with the worker, even when the worker is not good at what they do or is abusive? Sounds like some police unions.
lightedman 9y ago
"and you can't blanket all unions as acting the same way." Every single Union I've seen forces you to give up YOUR RIGHTS. I've read the paperwork.
- lightedman 9y ago
  I see the pro-union people are out in force. I suggest you go read UPS, FedEx, and Kroger's Union stuff. What I say is true because I've been to court over it. You sign up, YOU LOSE THE RIGHT TO REPRESENT YOURSELF IN ALL LEGAL MATTERS. It's explicitly written like that.
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by zanny 9y ago

kenoh 9y ago

I have to agree with you on the the humor of that. It's the original "But her emails".

tomohawk 9y ago

Perhaps you could point me to some unions that operate in this egalitarian way. I haven't seen them. As a thought experiment, just how would a union decide to protect or not protect a worker in a certain situation? By adherence to union rules? These are often inflexible, counterproductive, and morale destroying. Have you ever worked in a shop where you were not allowed to plug or unplug an appliance because thats a job for the electricians union? I have. It took several weeks to install a copier because of the unions involved. The movers couldn't unplug the thing, so they left when they saw it was plugged in. That company is no longer in business. What happened to the workers? Perhaps the workers could be protected by always siding with the worker, even when the worker is not good at what they do or is abusive? Sounds like some police unions.

lightedman 9y ago

"and you can't blanket all unions as acting the same way." Every single Union I've seen forces you to give up YOUR RIGHTS. I've read the paperwork.

lightedman 9y ago
I see the pro-union people are out in force. I suggest you go read UPS, FedEx, and Kroger's Union stuff. What I say is true because I've been to court over it. You sign up, YOU LOSE THE RIGHT TO REPRESENT YOURSELF IN ALL LEGAL MATTERS. It's explicitly written like that.
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