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I wish my company spent 400k per 3 employees.

rgbrenner 9y ago
I was assuming non-sf salaries... but yes, even then, it's really pushing it to say it would pay for 3 people in the us. I was being generous.
- chrshawkes 9y ago
  What senior dev makes less than 100k in the USA these days?
  - rgbrenner 9y ago
    Who said anything about senior devs? If you're really hung up on whether 3 is the right number, I think you've entirely missed the point of my post. Adobe has far more people working on photoshop.
  - sidlls 9y ago
    Plenty, outside of the usual suspect locations (SF, NY). A six figure salary for devs, senior or otherwise, is unusual outside those areas. It's not unheard of, but it's not typical, either.
    - chipotle_coyote 9y ago
      I'm not convinced the $150K+ salary figures I see sniffed at on HN as "bare minimums" are quite as common even in SF/NY/etc. as people imagine they are. Startups and (some) "star name" tech companies in those areas hit those figures, but even today I still see more technical jobs than one might imagine in the $80-120K range. I'm aware a lot of software engineers insist that when they're only making $140K they're underpaid given all the Amazing Stupendous Value™ they bring to their companies, but I have some doubts about how sustainable such figures are going to be at most employers as the VC markets tighten (which is definitely happening now).
      - sidlls 9y ago
        I don't work at a "star name" company, but it's in the Bay Area. $150k (+/- a few percent) is the typical base for Senior and Lead Engineer positions here. I don't know if that's typical for "not star name" places, though. And most developers are definitely underpaid relative to the value we provide. From shabby CRUD through deep machine learning research, we're generally underpaid. Partly it's our own collective fault, though: as a group we're told constantly that passion for the product and satisfaction at "being paid [anything] for doing what you love" should be enough, and enough of us buy that crap that it effectively depresses wages.
kingnothing 9y ago
It very well may after you factor in office space, benefits, vacation, unemployment insurance, FICA, etc.

I was assuming non-sf salaries... but yes, even then, it's really pushing it to say it would pay for 3 people in the us. I was being generous.

chrshawkes 9y ago
What senior dev makes less than 100k in the USA these days?
- rgbrenner 9y ago
  Who said anything about senior devs? If you're really hung up on whether 3 is the right number, I think you've entirely missed the point of my post. Adobe has far more people working on photoshop.
- sidlls 9y ago
  Plenty, outside of the usual suspect locations (SF, NY). A six figure salary for devs, senior or otherwise, is unusual outside those areas. It's not unheard of, but it's not typical, either.
  - chipotle_coyote 9y ago
    I'm not convinced the $150K+ salary figures I see sniffed at on HN as "bare minimums" are quite as common even in SF/NY/etc. as people imagine they are. Startups and (some) "star name" tech companies in those areas hit those figures, but even today I still see more technical jobs than one might imagine in the $80-120K range. I'm aware a lot of software engineers insist that when they're only making $140K they're underpaid given all the Amazing Stupendous Value™ they bring to their companies, but I have some doubts about how sustainable such figures are going to be at most employers as the VC markets tighten (which is definitely happening now).
    - sidlls 9y ago
      I don't work at a "star name" company, but it's in the Bay Area. $150k (+/- a few percent) is the typical base for Senior and Lead Engineer positions here. I don't know if that's typical for "not star name" places, though. And most developers are definitely underpaid relative to the value we provide. From shabby CRUD through deep machine learning research, we're generally underpaid. Partly it's our own collective fault, though: as a group we're told constantly that passion for the product and satisfaction at "being paid [anything] for doing what you love" should be enough, and enough of us buy that crap that it effectively depresses wages.

kingnothing 9y ago

It very well may after you factor in office space, benefits, vacation, unemployment insurance, FICA, etc.