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Is Correct The Record primarily an anti Fake News organisation or a pro US Democratic Party internet marketing wing? It seems to me, as an European that the l

Is Correct The Record primarily an anti Fake News organisation or a pro US Democratic Party internet marketing wing? It seems to me, as an European that the last US election got many "rustles" "jimmied" particularly about finding reasons for why Trump got in, and more than why Hilary didn't. one factor that is mentioned is that people believed lies on the internet. CTR appears to me as an outsider as fighting the very real issue of Fake News but is actually fighting for the Democrats. I could be wrong though. Mainly I think it's interesting (and worrying) that popularist politics is associated with propaganda and manipulation and the those who see the lies are minority enlightened educated people.

MichaelGG 9y ago
They and Share Blue are just propaganda wings and aren't set out to provide accurate news. Both parties were pretty shitty and it's nice to see they both lost in their own way.
- fivestar 9y ago
  They are left wing examples, but I know that during 2003 during the propaganda campaign that got us the second Iraq War that there was an unacknowledged but very real effort of the same size and scope going on initiated by the neocons. I am absolutely certain of what I observed back then. No one--no one--would believe me, though. I would add that the comedian Dennis Miller was also drafted into spouting pro-war propaganda on late night tv. It was all very deliberate.
creaghpatr 9y ago
More information: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct-the-record-online-trolls/484847/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct... Note that the organization has been reorganized into Shareblue, you can read about their tactics and decide for yourself whether it's fake news or just politics as usual. https://www.scribd.com/document/337535680/Full-David-Brock-Confidential-Memo-On-Fighting-Trump#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/337535680/Full-David-Brock-C...
sjg007 9y ago
Fake news basically began with Fox news aka Faux News. You also see it rise out of the fear mongering promoted by Rush and then taken further right. The real problem is that it works in the sense that it is profitable and it dominates discussion / media frenzy. There were some statistical studies by Gelman on the previous elections (prior to 2016) that show that rich and middle class people in red states voted republican vs those in blue states (although rich people tend to vote republican in general). The poor basically vote democrat all the way around the country. This is why you have huge voter suppression campaigns in the poorer red states that should turn blue if enough people voted. It also explains gerrymandering to maintain minority control. Obama was an outlier in that he got more of the rich/middle class red state vote than Hillary did. So the question is, why do middle class people in red states vote republican?
- fivestar 9y ago
  Please provide evidence of "voter suppression" campaigns from the right versus what I consider healthy "positive voter identification" which is a legitimate need given the number of illegal immigrants allowed into the country during the Obama years. Or don't you really care about the integrity of the voting system as long as blue wins?
  - sjg007 9y ago
    It's well documented in the Court system. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-c... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws-supreme-court-north-carolina.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws...
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MichaelGG 9y ago

They and Share Blue are just propaganda wings and aren't set out to provide accurate news. Both parties were pretty shitty and it's nice to see they both lost in their own way.

fivestar 9y ago
They are left wing examples, but I know that during 2003 during the propaganda campaign that got us the second Iraq War that there was an unacknowledged but very real effort of the same size and scope going on initiated by the neocons. I am absolutely certain of what I observed back then. No one--no one--would believe me, though. I would add that the comedian Dennis Miller was also drafted into spouting pro-war propaganda on late night tv. It was all very deliberate.

creaghpatr 9y ago

More information: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct-the-record-online-trolls/484847/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct... Note that the organization has been reorganized into Shareblue, you can read about their tactics and decide for yourself whether it's fake news or just politics as usual. https://www.scribd.com/document/337535680/Full-David-Brock-Confidential-Memo-On-Fighting-Trump#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/337535680/Full-David-Brock-C...

sjg007 9y ago

Fake news basically began with Fox news aka Faux News. You also see it rise out of the fear mongering promoted by Rush and then taken further right. The real problem is that it works in the sense that it is profitable and it dominates discussion / media frenzy. There were some statistical studies by Gelman on the previous elections (prior to 2016) that show that rich and middle class people in red states voted republican vs those in blue states (although rich people tend to vote republican in general). The poor basically vote democrat all the way around the country. This is why you have huge voter suppression campaigns in the poorer red states that should turn blue if enough people voted. It also explains gerrymandering to maintain minority control. Obama was an outlier in that he got more of the rich/middle class red state vote than Hillary did. So the question is, why do middle class people in red states vote republican?

fivestar 9y ago
Please provide evidence of "voter suppression" campaigns from the right versus what I consider healthy "positive voter identification" which is a legitimate need given the number of illegal immigrants allowed into the country during the Obama years. Or don't you really care about the integrity of the voting system as long as blue wins?
- sjg007 9y ago
  It's well documented in the Court system. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-c... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws-supreme-court-north-carolina.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/voter-id-laws...
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