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The Photoshop license is $10/mo according to Adobe's site. $120/yr. Also, $400k is, like, nothing in developer time (compared to what Adobe puts into their sof

The Photoshop license is $10/mo according to Adobe's site. $120/yr. Also, $400k is, like, nothing in developer time (compared to what Adobe puts into their software, at least).

mikegerwitz 9y ago
You have many hackers already donating their time to work on free software projects, that might be able to do more if they were compensated to do so. $400k is a lot of money to partially compensate people who are already donating much of their time, especially when you consider that you don't have to worry about paying for benefits.
- dboreham 9y ago
  Pure Fantasy.
  - ethanwillis 9y ago
    And GNU/Linux will never take off.
    - GoToRO 9y ago
      As far as casual user is concerned, it didn't. Large corporations instead enjoy a very nice free ride (all the servers).
      - ReverseCold 9y ago
        Chromebooks are already outselling Macs. A lot of (most, even?) American schools are buying Chromebooks for students to use because they're simple and work well. ChromeOS uses the Linux kernel.
        jpetso 9y ago
        I'd add that to the list of free rides for large corporations. Students getting Chromebooks aren't sucked into the Linux ecosystem and open source community that encourages you to improve parts of the system yourself. Instead, it leaves system maintenance (and learning experience) entirely to the administrator and really only provides Chrome as the operating system, with all implications. Control your data locally? Why not upload it to Google Drive instead. Learn git commands? Better find that hidden Developer Mode switch, because crosh isn't going to get you very far. Get involved in improving Linux or Chromium? Nah, better edit some JavaScript in a web view with someone else's proprietary online code editor. Google can (and will) swap Linux out of Chromium whenever they want to, because none of the interfaces and none of the community overlap. When Fuchsia gets swapped in, neither you nor the students will notice, and it won't have made a difference other than Linux having helped Google's locked-down, centrally controlled platform to succeed.
        jessaustin 9y ago
        Sure, then I'll get a different laptop. Or maybe by that point free software on other devices will be far enough along that I won't need a laptop? The future is networked, inescapably. It's fine to advocate for local data, but don't expect that to mean data on a drive in a box on my desk.
        jpetso 9y ago
        If we can make a future happen where I can control software and data on a remote device, in a way that works for students, then sure. Otherwise, I wouldn't count pure access to the internet/web as actual victory for GNU/Linux. (Maybe as victory for education opportunities, productivity, etc., but tying that back to Linux is a very indirect connection.) Either way, ChromeOS doesn't contribute to taking (co-)ownership of any of the above and encouraging the freedoms commonly associated with the use of Linux. Neither does it sustainably establish even the Linux kernel as pillar of the OS, it's just an implementation detail to be hidden and potentially replaced later. So why exactly should we look at ChromeOS as GNU/Linux having taken off for the casual user?
    - ensiferum 9y ago
      The year of the Linux desktop is always ten years from now ;-)
    - dboreham 9y ago
      It took off thanks to the efforts of professional paid programmers.
- gregmac 9y ago
  A lot of people's open source work is mainly limited by competition for time -- namely, their job, spending time with family, chores/housework, other hobbies, relaxing and sleeping. More money may help entice more time to be taken from some of those other things, but some of those are more or less fixed (job, chores), not sustainable to give up for long (sleep, relaxing) or simply not worth a small (or any) amount of money to give up (family). Enough money and stability that someone can give up their day job -- that's a different story. But that's a very big jump, and suddenly even $400k doesn't really go that far, assuming you can even get that money. There's a reason very few open source projects have a full-time developer being compensated by the community.
sanbor 9y ago
You're right. I googled for "photoshop license price" and Google gave me old information from this page https://www.cnet.com/news/adobes-new-pricing-plan-ouch-users-say/ https://www.cnet.com/news/adobes-new-pricing-plan-ouch-users...
biztos 9y ago
I pay $10/mo and that includes Lightroom, which is impressing me more every time I use it. In fact I'd probably pay the $10/mo just for Lightroom, and then I could say that Photoshop is free. :-)

The Photoshop license is $10/mo according to Adobe's site. $120/yr. Also, $400k is, like, nothing in developer time (compared to what Adobe puts into their software, at least).

mikegerwitz 9y ago

You have many hackers already donating their time to work on free software projects, that might be able to do more if they were compensated to do so. $400k is a lot of money to partially compensate people who are already donating much of their time, especially when you consider that you don't have to worry about paying for benefits.

dboreham 9y ago
Pure Fantasy.
- ethanwillis 9y ago
  And GNU/Linux will never take off.
  - GoToRO 9y ago
    As far as casual user is concerned, it didn't. Large corporations instead enjoy a very nice free ride (all the servers).
    - ReverseCold 9y ago
      Chromebooks are already outselling Macs. A lot of (most, even?) American schools are buying Chromebooks for students to use because they're simple and work well. ChromeOS uses the Linux kernel.
      - jpetso 9y ago
        I'd add that to the list of free rides for large corporations. Students getting Chromebooks aren't sucked into the Linux ecosystem and open source community that encourages you to improve parts of the system yourself. Instead, it leaves system maintenance (and learning experience) entirely to the administrator and really only provides Chrome as the operating system, with all implications. Control your data locally? Why not upload it to Google Drive instead. Learn git commands? Better find that hidden Developer Mode switch, because crosh isn't going to get you very far. Get involved in improving Linux or Chromium? Nah, better edit some JavaScript in a web view with someone else's proprietary online code editor. Google can (and will) swap Linux out of Chromium whenever they want to, because none of the interfaces and none of the community overlap. When Fuchsia gets swapped in, neither you nor the students will notice, and it won't have made a difference other than Linux having helped Google's locked-down, centrally controlled platform to succeed.
        jessaustin 9y ago
        Sure, then I'll get a different laptop. Or maybe by that point free software on other devices will be far enough along that I won't need a laptop? The future is networked, inescapably. It's fine to advocate for local data, but don't expect that to mean data on a drive in a box on my desk.
        jpetso 9y ago
        If we can make a future happen where I can control software and data on a remote device, in a way that works for students, then sure. Otherwise, I wouldn't count pure access to the internet/web as actual victory for GNU/Linux. (Maybe as victory for education opportunities, productivity, etc., but tying that back to Linux is a very indirect connection.) Either way, ChromeOS doesn't contribute to taking (co-)ownership of any of the above and encouraging the freedoms commonly associated with the use of Linux. Neither does it sustainably establish even the Linux kernel as pillar of the OS, it's just an implementation detail to be hidden and potentially replaced later. So why exactly should we look at ChromeOS as GNU/Linux having taken off for the casual user?
  - ensiferum 9y ago
    The year of the Linux desktop is always ten years from now ;-)
  - dboreham 9y ago
    It took off thanks to the efforts of professional paid programmers.
gregmac 9y ago
A lot of people's open source work is mainly limited by competition for time -- namely, their job, spending time with family, chores/housework, other hobbies, relaxing and sleeping. More money may help entice more time to be taken from some of those other things, but some of those are more or less fixed (job, chores), not sustainable to give up for long (sleep, relaxing) or simply not worth a small (or any) amount of money to give up (family). Enough money and stability that someone can give up their day job -- that's a different story. But that's a very big jump, and suddenly even $400k doesn't really go that far, assuming you can even get that money. There's a reason very few open source projects have a full-time developer being compensated by the community.

sanbor 9y ago

You're right. I googled for "photoshop license price" and Google gave me old information from this page https://www.cnet.com/news/adobes-new-pricing-plan-ouch-users-say/ https://www.cnet.com/news/adobes-new-pricing-plan-ouch-users...

biztos 9y ago

I pay $10/mo and that includes Lightroom, which is impressing me more every time I use it. In fact I'd probably pay the $10/mo just for Lightroom, and then I could say that Photoshop is free. :-)