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If he is accepted into wellfare (and the last number that I saw around 700000 had been accpeted) it is comparable. I posted it on HN and got downvoted. I will p

by jk2323 9y ago

If he is accepted into wellfare (and the last number that I saw around 700000 had been accpeted) it is comparable. I posted it on HN and got downvoted. I will post it again: 60k is 2800 € net per month. A refugee on welfare would get approximately 400 per adult plus 300 per kid plus rent paid (and free insurance). For a family of four this is 1400 Euro. Let's assume 1000 for rent in a city. This is 2400 so basically the same that you have.

TurboHaskal 9y ago
Can confirm that sometimes I have the impression that my SO's cousin is living quite a nice life (housewife, three children, husband's blue-collar salary) compared to us (childless, combined 6 digit salary, can't afford a 3 bedroom house without signing a 30+ year mortgage).
germanier 9y ago
If you post this again and again please get your facts straight first: 2800 € is the amount for a single person. A married sole-earner in a family of four gets generous tax benefits resulting in 3300 € net (insurance included) plus 380 € child benefits. Substantially more I'd say.
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- jk2323 9y ago
  Agreed. But please also consider the extra benefits for welfare recipients. Extra clothing support. Generous checks to buy their first furniture, laundry machine, TV. Maybe even a computer (not sure about the computer). Fact is, even as a full working engineer your available money is not significant different. A policeman with two kids and his wife not working has less money as such a family living on welfare. In fact, he would qualify for subsidiary income. And we are not talking yet about refugess with 4 wifes and 23 kids.... http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/region/lokales/westerwald_artikel,-syrischer-geschaeftsmann-reist-mit-vier-ehefrauen-und-23-kindern-ein-_arid,1539821.html http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/region/lokales/westerwald_artike...
  - germanier 9y ago
    As a rule of thumb 2000 € can be used for four persons for initial furniture etc. After two months the 60k earner is ahead. Clothing is already included in the rates you posted (there is some additional clothing support if you get another, lower rate). Police earnings are a bit complicated but basically everyone with kids gets more than welfare after initial training. Some young police officers from Berlin (rightfully) recently complained that they are below that but this is the exception.
    - jk2323 9y ago
      Policeman compared to welfare (Sorry, Link in German): http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2017/03/13/gewerkschaft-polizei-berlin-hartz-iv_n_15331046.html http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2017/03/13/gewerkschaft-polizei...
      - germanier 9y ago
        This is exactly the case I referred to in my comment above. As the article clearly states this is very exceptional and rightfully a problem.
taway_1212 9y ago
> A refugee on welfare would get approximately 400 per adult plus 300 per kid plus rent paid (and free insurance). Does it apply to refugees only, or to everyone?
- germanier 9y ago
  That's the minimum amount you need to live with dignity in Germany as defined by the Federal Constitutional Court and thus applies to everyone although foreigner's are subject to certain restrictions. Many refugees get less than that.

by jk2323 9y ago

TurboHaskal 9y ago

Can confirm that sometimes I have the impression that my SO's cousin is living quite a nice life (housewife, three children, husband's blue-collar salary) compared to us (childless, combined 6 digit salary, can't afford a 3 bedroom house without signing a 30+ year mortgage).

germanier 9y ago

If you post this again and again please get your facts straight first: 2800 € is the amount for a single person. A married sole-earner in a family of four gets generous tax benefits resulting in 3300 € net (insurance included) plus 380 € child benefits. Substantially more I'd say.

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jk2323 9y ago
Agreed. But please also consider the extra benefits for welfare recipients. Extra clothing support. Generous checks to buy their first furniture, laundry machine, TV. Maybe even a computer (not sure about the computer). Fact is, even as a full working engineer your available money is not significant different. A policeman with two kids and his wife not working has less money as such a family living on welfare. In fact, he would qualify for subsidiary income. And we are not talking yet about refugess with 4 wifes and 23 kids.... http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/region/lokales/westerwald_artikel,-syrischer-geschaeftsmann-reist-mit-vier-ehefrauen-und-23-kindern-ein-_arid,1539821.html http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/region/lokales/westerwald_artike...
- germanier 9y ago
  As a rule of thumb 2000 € can be used for four persons for initial furniture etc. After two months the 60k earner is ahead. Clothing is already included in the rates you posted (there is some additional clothing support if you get another, lower rate). Police earnings are a bit complicated but basically everyone with kids gets more than welfare after initial training. Some young police officers from Berlin (rightfully) recently complained that they are below that but this is the exception.
  - jk2323 9y ago
    Policeman compared to welfare (Sorry, Link in German): http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2017/03/13/gewerkschaft-polizei-berlin-hartz-iv_n_15331046.html http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2017/03/13/gewerkschaft-polizei...
    - germanier 9y ago
      This is exactly the case I referred to in my comment above. As the article clearly states this is very exceptional and rightfully a problem.

taway_1212 9y ago

> A refugee on welfare would get approximately 400 per adult plus 300 per kid plus rent paid (and free insurance). Does it apply to refugees only, or to everyone?

germanier 9y ago
That's the minimum amount you need to live with dignity in Germany as defined by the Federal Constitutional Court and thus applies to everyone although foreigner's are subject to certain restrictions. Many refugees get less than that.