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> even the composition of these simplistic elements into a final design requires almost no talent or skill. I don't want to watch your minimal designs if you t

> even the composition of these simplistic elements into a final design requires almost no talent or skill. I don't want to watch your minimal designs if you think that way. The principles required to make a beautiful composition with minimal elements are exactly the same as those to create beautiful composition in a baroque setting. Conversely, a minimal design may also look like shit if done carelessly.

crimsonalucard 9y ago
Then don't. Not to be insulting but I believe you and many people who think Modern Design is hard are deluded. It's really similar to the douche baggery present in Modern Art. Composition is easy as pie, humans are already masters of composition. Let me give you an example. Try to concoct in your imagination a very beautiful girl, don't do it from memory just picture for you what would be the most ideal woman in the world... easy right? That is composition. You composed body parts and facial features and composed something. Now draw that beautiful girl naked with perfect anatomical correctness as if you were looking at her through a fish eye lens from an extreme angle... That is hard or near impossible from a person without years of practice. This is true art and talent that I respect.... What is a website but a composition of geometric shapes, premade pictures and text? My beautiful woman example is an exaggeration compared to web design, but it illustrates a principle that is true. A minimal design takes time and effort to construct but we have the instinctual knowledge of what looks good and what grabs attention and what improves UX. Thus almost anybody has what it takes to "Design" stuff. Especially if it's minimal. Rendering a design is significantly easier than fine art. Artistically, the units of a web page already exist, cover pictures, stock photos, fonts, geometric tools in illustration programs all allow us to render a website design with little talent. It will not take years for someone to learn photoshop and HTML and it certainly takes very little time to recognize the elements of modern flat design. The latest overused trend I've been seeing is the layering of a quote over a big ass full page cover photo,... props to the leonardo da vinci who can do that: http://mkshft.org/ http://mkshft.org/
- TuringTest 9y ago
  I'm a gay man, imagining a "most ideal woman" would give me the creeps 8-P I had a long reply addresssing each of your points, but I'll keep it to the essentials: - A beautiful woman composed from parts may be anatomically perfect, or can be a Frankenstein monster made of stitches of out-of-proportion body parts, even if every part is individually perfect. Knowing how to put together the parts into a harmonious whole is an art on itself - the art of composition. You can't dismiss this skill with "but it looks good in my mind". The difficult part is taking the nebulous, incomplete visual image in your mind and building a physical object that matches how you feel it should look. You speak as if this "execution phase" is trivial, but it's not; it's what distinguishes an artist from a wannabe. > we have the instinctual knowledge of what looks good and what grabs attention and what improves UX. Thus almost anybody has what it takes to "Design" stuff. - This is a fallacy. Being able to instinctively recognize whether a design is beautiful doesn't mean that you'd be able to build a beautiful one yourself from scratch. The first is easy as your brain is hardwired to do it; but the second is incredibly hard. It's not the same to see that a Greek sculpture is beautiful, than to model a beautiful clay figurine with your hands. You'll know that your current wreck is not correct, but won't know of to change it to make it better. It's exactly the same when you try compositing individual elements into a proportional design. No matter how simple or complex are those elements, the skills required to make a good composition are the same, and they are not easy; it takes years to learn them and apply them properly. It's the reason why a professional designer can make better designs than a developer who learns all the photoshop commands. Seriously, I think you're falling to the Dunning–Kruger effect; it seems that you don't even know what you're missing in terms of the quality of a design, if you think that any amount of basic elements can simply be thrown together without regards of the Gestalt laws of grouping[1] that govern your brain and are the basis of composition, even for very minimalist designs. The hardest part of art is not learning those mechanical techniques for making it photo-realistic, that you seem to value more than it's worth; it's learning these intangible rules and mastering them to make the result graceful.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology#Pr.C3.A4gnanz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology#Pr.C3.A4gna... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_(visual_arts) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_(visual_arts) P.S. Learning to draw a photo-realistic image from life (i.e. looking at the object while you draw it) doesn't take years, it can be done in a few days with a good teacher; (metaphorically) half your brain is literally built for doing just that. You just need to learn how to shut down the symbolic other half of the brain which messes with the results. Betty Edwards Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain method[3] is a good way to do it on your own. [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Edwards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Edwards

crimsonalucard 9y ago

Then don't. Not to be insulting but I believe you and many people who think Modern Design is hard are deluded. It's really similar to the douche baggery present in Modern Art. Composition is easy as pie, humans are already masters of composition. Let me give you an example. Try to concoct in your imagination a very beautiful girl, don't do it from memory just picture for you what would be the most ideal woman in the world... easy right? That is composition. You composed body parts and facial features and composed something. Now draw that beautiful girl naked with perfect anatomical correctness as if you were looking at her through a fish eye lens from an extreme angle... That is hard or near impossible from a person without years of practice. This is true art and talent that I respect.... What is a website but a composition of geometric shapes, premade pictures and text? My beautiful woman example is an exaggeration compared to web design, but it illustrates a principle that is true. A minimal design takes time and effort to construct but we have the instinctual knowledge of what looks good and what grabs attention and what improves UX. Thus almost anybody has what it takes to "Design" stuff. Especially if it's minimal. Rendering a design is significantly easier than fine art. Artistically, the units of a web page already exist, cover pictures, stock photos, fonts, geometric tools in illustration programs all allow us to render a website design with little talent. It will not take years for someone to learn photoshop and HTML and it certainly takes very little time to recognize the elements of modern flat design. The latest overused trend I've been seeing is the layering of a quote over a big ass full page cover photo,... props to the leonardo da vinci who can do that: http://mkshft.org/ http://mkshft.org/

TuringTest 9y ago
I'm a gay man, imagining a "most ideal woman" would give me the creeps 8-P I had a long reply addresssing each of your points, but I'll keep it to the essentials: - A beautiful woman composed from parts may be anatomically perfect, or can be a Frankenstein monster made of stitches of out-of-proportion body parts, even if every part is individually perfect. Knowing how to put together the parts into a harmonious whole is an art on itself - the art of composition. You can't dismiss this skill with "but it looks good in my mind". The difficult part is taking the nebulous, incomplete visual image in your mind and building a physical object that matches how you feel it should look. You speak as if this "execution phase" is trivial, but it's not; it's what distinguishes an artist from a wannabe. > we have the instinctual knowledge of what looks good and what grabs attention and what improves UX. Thus almost anybody has what it takes to "Design" stuff. - This is a fallacy. Being able to instinctively recognize whether a design is beautiful doesn't mean that you'd be able to build a beautiful one yourself from scratch. The first is easy as your brain is hardwired to do it; but the second is incredibly hard. It's not the same to see that a Greek sculpture is beautiful, than to model a beautiful clay figurine with your hands. You'll know that your current wreck is not correct, but won't know of to change it to make it better. It's exactly the same when you try compositing individual elements into a proportional design. No matter how simple or complex are those elements, the skills required to make a good composition are the same, and they are not easy; it takes years to learn them and apply them properly. It's the reason why a professional designer can make better designs than a developer who learns all the photoshop commands. Seriously, I think you're falling to the Dunning–Kruger effect; it seems that you don't even know what you're missing in terms of the quality of a design, if you think that any amount of basic elements can simply be thrown together without regards of the Gestalt laws of grouping[1] that govern your brain and are the basis of composition, even for very minimalist designs. The hardest part of art is not learning those mechanical techniques for making it photo-realistic, that you seem to value more than it's worth; it's learning these intangible rules and mastering them to make the result graceful.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology#Pr.C3.A4gnanz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology#Pr.C3.A4gna... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_(visual_arts) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_(visual_arts) P.S. Learning to draw a photo-realistic image from life (i.e. looking at the object while you draw it) doesn't take years, it can be done in a few days with a good teacher; (metaphorically) half your brain is literally built for doing just that. You just need to learn how to shut down the symbolic other half of the brain which messes with the results. Betty Edwards Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain method[3] is a good way to do it on your own. [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Edwards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Edwards