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> The result is that we settle for low-paying entry level jobs. uh... isn't the point of entry-level jobs to be the kind of jobs where people entering the mark

by vacri 9y ago

> The result is that we settle for low-paying entry level jobs. uh... isn't the point of entry-level jobs to be the kind of jobs where people entering the market start out? > Young people are better-educated Actually, while education years have increased, education standards have slipped. The people reaching tertiary education these days are a year or two behind where they were in the Xers days. The point is this: stop painting yourselves as undeserving victims. Every generation faces challenges. The fact that your generations challenges don't come pre-solved for you isn't going to be solved by constantly bitching about the boomers and doing nothing.

zanny 9y ago
> isn't the point of entry-level jobs to be the kind of jobs where people entering the market start out? The point of entry level jobs is to do low skilled labor. There is no grand design, especially a philanthropic one, in how corporations structure their ranks. Job mobility is drastically down. You are much better suited to quitting your current employer for greener pastures every ~3 years than trying to move up an established ladder. There is no upward mobility from Starbucks Barista, and it isn't a pivotable skillset. > The fact that your generations challenges don't come pre-solved I think the hostility is more about how the problems millennials face now are man made problems previous generations didn't have to face because of greater social cohesion they have no practical control over until after they inherit it ~20 years from now. By then I fully suspect the current upstarts with ambition to be bitter and hostile and look back on "when <nation> was great" just like the boomers do now.
- vacri 9y ago
  > I think the hostility is more about how the problems millennials face now are man made problems previous generations didn't have to face The GP is bitching about a potential war between the US and China, and conveniently ignores the actual wars that the Boomers were conscripted to fight (Vietnam) and the generation before them (WWII, Korea) and the generation before them (WWI). If those wars aren't classed as 'man-made problems' and the young being sent to die for the old, then what's the point of discussing further? As for job mobility being drastically down, that's looking at the past with rose-coloured glasses. We may have passed the peak of job mobility, but it's far more labile now than it was in the 60/70s and earlier, especially if you're female. The fact that you can job-hop these days is proof of this. The only way millenials have it worse than 'previous generations' is if they're completely ignoring how previous generations actually had it. Hey, you know what I hate? I hate how every week I have to get down on my hands and knees and manually polish the floorboards with wax, so they last longer. Oh, hang on, I didn't do that, that was my grandmother. She was a bit of a clean-freak, but the point is that 'maintaining the floor' used to be a thing, now no-one thinks of it beyond a bit of a vacuum. It's stuff like this that the millenial "we have it sooooooooooo hard!" complaints completely ignore.
enraged_camel 9y ago
I think by "entry-level jobs" the OP meant "dead-end jobs". A coffee shop barista doesn't exactly have a career progression.
int_19h 9y ago
In the context of this article, it's about boomers expecting millennials to solve their own problems and their parents' problems (all that accumulated debt to pay pensions etc).

by vacri 9y ago

zanny 9y ago

> isn't the point of entry-level jobs to be the kind of jobs where people entering the market start out? The point of entry level jobs is to do low skilled labor. There is no grand design, especially a philanthropic one, in how corporations structure their ranks. Job mobility is drastically down. You are much better suited to quitting your current employer for greener pastures every ~3 years than trying to move up an established ladder. There is no upward mobility from Starbucks Barista, and it isn't a pivotable skillset. > The fact that your generations challenges don't come pre-solved I think the hostility is more about how the problems millennials face now are man made problems previous generations didn't have to face because of greater social cohesion they have no practical control over until after they inherit it ~20 years from now. By then I fully suspect the current upstarts with ambition to be bitter and hostile and look back on "when <nation> was great" just like the boomers do now.

vacri 9y ago
> I think the hostility is more about how the problems millennials face now are man made problems previous generations didn't have to face The GP is bitching about a potential war between the US and China, and conveniently ignores the actual wars that the Boomers were conscripted to fight (Vietnam) and the generation before them (WWII, Korea) and the generation before them (WWI). If those wars aren't classed as 'man-made problems' and the young being sent to die for the old, then what's the point of discussing further? As for job mobility being drastically down, that's looking at the past with rose-coloured glasses. We may have passed the peak of job mobility, but it's far more labile now than it was in the 60/70s and earlier, especially if you're female. The fact that you can job-hop these days is proof of this. The only way millenials have it worse than 'previous generations' is if they're completely ignoring how previous generations actually had it. Hey, you know what I hate? I hate how every week I have to get down on my hands and knees and manually polish the floorboards with wax, so they last longer. Oh, hang on, I didn't do that, that was my grandmother. She was a bit of a clean-freak, but the point is that 'maintaining the floor' used to be a thing, now no-one thinks of it beyond a bit of a vacuum. It's stuff like this that the millenial "we have it sooooooooooo hard!" complaints completely ignore.

enraged_camel 9y ago

I think by "entry-level jobs" the OP meant "dead-end jobs". A coffee shop barista doesn't exactly have a career progression.

int_19h 9y ago

In the context of this article, it's about boomers expecting millennials to solve their own problems and their parents' problems (all that accumulated debt to pay pensions etc).