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>Some parents are generously allowing their children to live at home rent-free. Mine are not. They provided me with an education, but in fact that was a scholar

>Some parents are generously allowing their children to live at home rent-free. Mine are not. They provided me with an education, but in fact that was a scholarship from the institution my dad works at, not their own generosity. You seem to feel that you are owed more. Are you joking or are you really this bold-faced entitled? >Young people are better-educated, well-travelled, and more aware of the world than ever before. But old people control the Human Resources department. To protect themselves, they keep changing the rules to keep us out. HR demands years of continuous work experience, not only a degree. Since when does being well traveled or aware of the world mean you are better qualified for most jobs? It very rarely matters (would you put this on a job resume?). Young adults do have degrees at a higher rate than ever before, but most of those degrees are worthless degrees. >But old people control the Human Resources department. To protect themselves, they keep changing the rules to keep us out. HR demands years of continuous work experience, not only a degree. This is quite the conspiracy theory. So there are jobs to be had but the old people are keeping you out of them? I define a worthless degree as a degree where you could have learned the same skill on the job or at a trade school. This is the way your parent's generation did it. The degrees in this case are a waste of time and money. They provide false hope as well. >Pension funds take money from young people and pay it out to old people. I have no hope that the fund will still be around by the time I'm able to retire (and the retirement age is probably going to increase anyway). A similar thing can be said about insurance. Therefore I think that young people should boycott pension funds. The system is not working for us, so we should not pay into it. We must continue to pay taxes because of legal requirements, but all other financial services are biased towards an older generation. The worst part is the inequality that will come when the older generation finally pass on their inheritances. Some people will be very rich. My parents promised me that I will not receive any inheritance. So I will be poor. The instability and debt is likely to lead to a war. It wouldn't surprise me if the USA decides to fight China about the huge debt they owe the Chinese. And who will die in the war? Young people. Is this whole thing one big joke? You got me, you are trolling with sarcasm right? Millennials are scary...

legulere 9y ago
> You seem to feel that you are owed more. Are you joking or are you really this bold-faced entitled? Everyone stands on the shoulder of giants. The current old generation just does not want anyone stand on their shoulders. Society was always asset driven. Assets like land and houses have become speculation objects instead of the means to living.
upvotinglurker 9y ago
>I define a worthless degree as a degree where you could have learned the same skill on the job or at a trade school. This is the way your parent's generation did it. The degrees in this case are a waste of time and money. They provide false hope as well. The parents' generation's employers were willing to train on the job or hire people who had learned in trade schools. (US, white collar, non-programming) employers today tend to make some kind of college degree a minimum requirement, even if what was "learned" at college bears no relationship to the job. This isn't the fault of the degree-earning youngsters.
enraged_camel 9y ago
>>I define a worthless degree as a degree where you could have learned the same skill on the job or at a trade school. This is the way your parent's generation did it. The degrees in this case are a waste of time and money. They provide false hope as well. The primary reason 18-year-olds go to college is because they are told by their parents that it is necessary to get a good job afterwards. Indeed, the vast majority of white collar jobs in the USA require a bachelor's degree. Those with degrees implicitly or explicitly have a leg up on those who don't. Just ask your company's HR department.
Retra 9y ago
Maybe it is entitlement. You get out of school, struggle for 15 years, and have absolutely nothing to show for it but a heap of debt. Then you look around the world and see that success isn't a reward for hard work, it's a reward for being born wealthy and connected. If you don't own land, you're screwed. It's expensive, and old people love hoarding it. Millennials are scary? Do you know who the President of the United States is?
- charlieflowers 9y ago
  The government is who has screwed you over. By offering student loans, the govt (perhaps accidentally) inflated the cost of college to insane levels. Continuing the flawed system is not accidental, because having a generation in lifelong debt is convenient to those who control wealth. But I doubt it's your parents who are to blame. It's yet another failure of our government to look out for the best interests of its citizens because it gets swayed by greed.
  - Retra 9y ago
    Fuck that. The government paid for most of my college and living expenses during, without incurring any debt (MGIB.) I'm getting screwed over by the combination of medical expenses and rent.
kitsunesoba 9y ago
>You seem to feel that you are owed more. Are you joking or are you really this bold-faced entitled? It's not really feeling that we're owed anything. It's more of a wish that older generations would take a look at the world as it is today, realize that what worked in decades past is no longer viable, and adjust their expectations accordingly. Regardless of education, you can't just walk into a job today. Worse, employers expect you to be ready to hit the ground running fresh out of the gates – few provide workplace training, even for entry level positions. If one isn't fortunate enough to land an internship, this creates a nasty catch-22 situation where you can't get into X industry due to lack of experience, but you can't get industry experience because nobody will employ you. Even if you do have a degree and experience, it's likely that you're not any company's first choice. As a result, you end up with a ton of young people who if were entering the workforce 40-60 years ago would be on a path to a solid career instead grinding away years of their lives (sometimes upwards of a decade) working at places like Starbucks and Walmart in hopes of a glimmer of opportunity presenting itself. Some lose hope entirely and resign themselves to that kind of life. I was lucky. My parents wanted to help but couldn't and I don't have a college degree. Thankfully I had cultivated some level of programming ability in my teens which with a couple years of living on nothing I was able to develop into a well-paid software development career, but this was only possible due to my being in the right part of the country, the current crazy demand for SEs, and because this field doesn't obsess over degrees too much. Software dev is an odd bird in that respect. You can't do that in most other fields, and thus the idea of young people pulling themselves up by their bootstraps is largely unrealistic. Most are going to need at least a little bit of assistance to become a productive member of society, but the older generation is denying them of that.

legulere 9y ago

> You seem to feel that you are owed more. Are you joking or are you really this bold-faced entitled? Everyone stands on the shoulder of giants. The current old generation just does not want anyone stand on their shoulders. Society was always asset driven. Assets like land and houses have become speculation objects instead of the means to living.

upvotinglurker 9y ago

>I define a worthless degree as a degree where you could have learned the same skill on the job or at a trade school. This is the way your parent's generation did it. The degrees in this case are a waste of time and money. They provide false hope as well. The parents' generation's employers were willing to train on the job or hire people who had learned in trade schools. (US, white collar, non-programming) employers today tend to make some kind of college degree a minimum requirement, even if what was "learned" at college bears no relationship to the job. This isn't the fault of the degree-earning youngsters.

enraged_camel 9y ago

>>I define a worthless degree as a degree where you could have learned the same skill on the job or at a trade school. This is the way your parent's generation did it. The degrees in this case are a waste of time and money. They provide false hope as well. The primary reason 18-year-olds go to college is because they are told by their parents that it is necessary to get a good job afterwards. Indeed, the vast majority of white collar jobs in the USA require a bachelor's degree. Those with degrees implicitly or explicitly have a leg up on those who don't. Just ask your company's HR department.

Retra 9y ago

Maybe it is entitlement. You get out of school, struggle for 15 years, and have absolutely nothing to show for it but a heap of debt. Then you look around the world and see that success isn't a reward for hard work, it's a reward for being born wealthy and connected. If you don't own land, you're screwed. It's expensive, and old people love hoarding it. Millennials are scary? Do you know who the President of the United States is?

charlieflowers 9y ago
The government is who has screwed you over. By offering student loans, the govt (perhaps accidentally) inflated the cost of college to insane levels. Continuing the flawed system is not accidental, because having a generation in lifelong debt is convenient to those who control wealth. But I doubt it's your parents who are to blame. It's yet another failure of our government to look out for the best interests of its citizens because it gets swayed by greed.
- Retra 9y ago
  Fuck that. The government paid for most of my college and living expenses during, without incurring any debt (MGIB.) I'm getting screwed over by the combination of medical expenses and rent.

kitsunesoba 9y ago

>You seem to feel that you are owed more. Are you joking or are you really this bold-faced entitled? It's not really feeling that we're owed anything. It's more of a wish that older generations would take a look at the world as it is today, realize that what worked in decades past is no longer viable, and adjust their expectations accordingly. Regardless of education, you can't just walk into a job today. Worse, employers expect you to be ready to hit the ground running fresh out of the gates – few provide workplace training, even for entry level positions. If one isn't fortunate enough to land an internship, this creates a nasty catch-22 situation where you can't get into X industry due to lack of experience, but you can't get industry experience because nobody will employ you. Even if you do have a degree and experience, it's likely that you're not any company's first choice. As a result, you end up with a ton of young people who if were entering the workforce 40-60 years ago would be on a path to a solid career instead grinding away years of their lives (sometimes upwards of a decade) working at places like Starbucks and Walmart in hopes of a glimmer of opportunity presenting itself. Some lose hope entirely and resign themselves to that kind of life. I was lucky. My parents wanted to help but couldn't and I don't have a college degree. Thankfully I had cultivated some level of programming ability in my teens which with a couple years of living on nothing I was able to develop into a well-paid software development career, but this was only possible due to my being in the right part of the country, the current crazy demand for SEs, and because this field doesn't obsess over degrees too much. Software dev is an odd bird in that respect. You can't do that in most other fields, and thus the idea of young people pulling themselves up by their bootstraps is largely unrealistic. Most are going to need at least a little bit of assistance to become a productive member of society, but the older generation is denying them of that.