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This is what's really nice about Nim. It writes like Python, but is fast like Rust. Ran across Option in it the other day, though it's not used heavily. I real

This is what's really nice about Nim. It writes like Python, but is fast like Rust. Ran across Option in it the other day, though it's not used heavily. I really wish there was something like Haskell but with a runtime like Nim or Go. Perhaps that is OCaml?

captainmuon 9y ago
Exactly. For me, Haskell was a gateway to Nim. I wanted something that feels familiar, but with a strong type system and native speed. I wish I could invest some time in working with Nim. It doesn't get as much attention as it deserves in my opinion, and it would really benefit from growing the community a bit.
nicoburns 9y ago
Have you looked at Swift? It's pretty similar to Rust, but eschews all the lifetime stuff in favour of a runtime that does reference counting.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Actually Swift 4.0 just got some memory ownership support, with more to come later.
  - kibwen 9y ago
    Link? Last I checked all of Swift's ownership ideas were just in-progress proposals, with implementation to be left to far-future releases.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Watch the video about the talk, what is new in Swift 4.0 at WWDC 2017. Basically 4.0 will introduce the notion of exclusive access, with more affine type ideas to follow up on 4.x. EDIT: This feature is described by SE-0176. https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0176-enforce-exclusive-access-to-memory.md https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposa...
- beefsack 9y ago
  Swift is useful if you're an Apple developer only targeting Apple users, seems like a bit of a niche.
  - AlexeyBrin 9y ago
    Swift works reasonably well on Linux. You can even run Swift on Windows 10 through Windows Subsystem for Linux.
    - beefsack 9y ago
      I tried under Arch a few months ago and found swathes of the standard library didn't appear to work, is this something which has been fixed?
      - AlexeyBrin 9y ago
        AFAIK only the core language is fully ported, for the libraries ... it is a work in progress.
        jandrese 9y ago
        In other words it is useless currently.
        AlexeyBrin 9y ago
        Tell that to IBM that uses Swift in production. See IBM's Kitura open source server framework if you are interested.
        jandrese 9y ago
        They use a language without a standard library in production?
        9y ago

captainmuon 9y ago

Exactly. For me, Haskell was a gateway to Nim. I wanted something that feels familiar, but with a strong type system and native speed. I wish I could invest some time in working with Nim. It doesn't get as much attention as it deserves in my opinion, and it would really benefit from growing the community a bit.

nicoburns 9y ago

Have you looked at Swift? It's pretty similar to Rust, but eschews all the lifetime stuff in favour of a runtime that does reference counting.

pjmlp 9y ago
Actually Swift 4.0 just got some memory ownership support, with more to come later.
- kibwen 9y ago
  Link? Last I checked all of Swift's ownership ideas were just in-progress proposals, with implementation to be left to far-future releases.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Watch the video about the talk, what is new in Swift 4.0 at WWDC 2017. Basically 4.0 will introduce the notion of exclusive access, with more affine type ideas to follow up on 4.x. EDIT: This feature is described by SE-0176. https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0176-enforce-exclusive-access-to-memory.md https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposa...
beefsack 9y ago
Swift is useful if you're an Apple developer only targeting Apple users, seems like a bit of a niche.
- AlexeyBrin 9y ago
  Swift works reasonably well on Linux. You can even run Swift on Windows 10 through Windows Subsystem for Linux.
  - beefsack 9y ago
    I tried under Arch a few months ago and found swathes of the standard library didn't appear to work, is this something which has been fixed?
    - AlexeyBrin 9y ago
      AFAIK only the core language is fully ported, for the libraries ... it is a work in progress.
      - jandrese 9y ago
        In other words it is useless currently.
        AlexeyBrin 9y ago
        Tell that to IBM that uses Swift in production. See IBM's Kitura open source server framework if you are interested.
        jandrese 9y ago
        They use a language without a standard library in production?
        9y ago