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That 'lol' stopped me in my tracks and I thought seriously about commenting but decided (incorrectly) it was too trivial a nitpick. I'm glad you spoke up. The

That 'lol' stopped me in my tracks and I thought seriously about commenting but decided (incorrectly) it was too trivial a nitpick. I'm glad you spoke up. The other thing I thought about the article is that I hate being told what the Sokal Hoax is _every time it's mentioned_, doesn't everyone know by now? Also, aren't most people (okay, the sort of person who's reading a Wired article on computational neuroscience) going to know that bagels and coffee-cups are topologically identical? It's not that esoteric is it? And that's happening more and more these days. I think if you're writing about complex neuroscience you've got to assume your audience knows about these things. Is that a small or big gripe, I'm not sure. Grumble grumble.

jamestimmins 9y ago
I, for one, did not know what any of these things were prior to reading the article. I think Wired is focused at an "interested but not necessarily experienced" audience, so I appreciate the clarifications.
- igravious 9y ago
  Ah, ok. My bad. Thanks for letting me know.
overdunk 9y ago
I'd argue against the use of LOL for any writing that involves an exchange of money, at any level, reader, author, publisher, printer, paywall, et c. But with regard to trivia, such as The Sokal Hoax, it is always, always, always the job of the journalist to inform the reader. This is true for acronyms, units of measurement, coincidental circumstances and more. If someone writes an article about the JFK assassination, they should be explaining JFK's initials, events surrounding the cuban missile crisis, the MLK assassination, Jack Ruby's mob ties, LBJ's rivalry, Bobby Kennedy's assassination, Ted Kennedy's car accident, the grains of the bullet used, what the unit of measurement known as the grain measures for a bullet, even what a knoll is. The journalist should capture as much information as needed to convey all relevant information to tell a complete story. A bad journalist leave details out, and expects the reader to "just know everything."
- igravious 9y ago
  Interesting. Agreed on LOL. However, just to play devil's advocate – algebraic topology was directly related to the story so I guess it needed explaining, whereas the Sokal Hoax was invoked by a correspondent > Chris Eliasmith, a theoretical neuroscientist at the University of Waterloo, didn’t find much to be interested about in his first reading: “It strikes me as an over-stated and minor contribution,” he wrote in an email. Peter Latham, a neuroscientist at the University College London went one step further, saying that it “reads a bit like an Alan Sokal hoax” Furthermore, the explanation —referring to the NYU mathematical physicist who got a bogus article about quantum physics as a "social construct" published in an academic journal — doesn't convey the salient details about the Sokal Hoax (the style of language used, the reliance on science analogies to convince a non-science audience, the purpose of the hoax (to make a point about what they saw as a certain type of bullshit article, and so on). But I totally take your point – and together with the other reply I stand corrected.
fjdlwlv 9y ago
Wired is a pop science magazine for teenagers. The Sokal Affair was 20 years ago.

jamestimmins 9y ago

I, for one, did not know what any of these things were prior to reading the article. I think Wired is focused at an "interested but not necessarily experienced" audience, so I appreciate the clarifications.

igravious 9y ago
Ah, ok. My bad. Thanks for letting me know.

overdunk 9y ago

I'd argue against the use of LOL for any writing that involves an exchange of money, at any level, reader, author, publisher, printer, paywall, et c. But with regard to trivia, such as The Sokal Hoax, it is always, always, always the job of the journalist to inform the reader. This is true for acronyms, units of measurement, coincidental circumstances and more. If someone writes an article about the JFK assassination, they should be explaining JFK's initials, events surrounding the cuban missile crisis, the MLK assassination, Jack Ruby's mob ties, LBJ's rivalry, Bobby Kennedy's assassination, Ted Kennedy's car accident, the grains of the bullet used, what the unit of measurement known as the grain measures for a bullet, even what a knoll is. The journalist should capture as much information as needed to convey all relevant information to tell a complete story. A bad journalist leave details out, and expects the reader to "just know everything."

igravious 9y ago
Interesting. Agreed on LOL. However, just to play devil's advocate – algebraic topology was directly related to the story so I guess it needed explaining, whereas the Sokal Hoax was invoked by a correspondent > Chris Eliasmith, a theoretical neuroscientist at the University of Waterloo, didn’t find much to be interested about in his first reading: “It strikes me as an over-stated and minor contribution,” he wrote in an email. Peter Latham, a neuroscientist at the University College London went one step further, saying that it “reads a bit like an Alan Sokal hoax” Furthermore, the explanation —referring to the NYU mathematical physicist who got a bogus article about quantum physics as a "social construct" published in an academic journal — doesn't convey the salient details about the Sokal Hoax (the style of language used, the reliance on science analogies to convince a non-science audience, the purpose of the hoax (to make a point about what they saw as a certain type of bullshit article, and so on). But I totally take your point – and together with the other reply I stand corrected.

fjdlwlv 9y ago

Wired is a pop science magazine for teenagers. The Sokal Affair was 20 years ago.