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There is no office dinner time that is compatible with employees going home _to have dinner with their families_. The point of an office dinner is to replace a

• austenallred 9y ago
  When I worked in SF I was just glad to see my family before my daughter went to bed, let alone having dinner with them.
  • kirillzubovsky 9y ago
    So is that a good thing? Did it make you a better employee, or increased your efficiency, or gave you room to think so you could make better decisions? SV is so misguided in equating working hard and being at work, it is crazy. Perhaps just me, but I can get 10-times more done when I know that my daughter is happy (having played together), than when I am stuck working while she is spending time with a nanny instead. Anyway, to each their own.
    • austenallred 9y ago
      No, I don't think that's a good thing at all. Not having dinner with my family was just a foregone conclusion. Even if I show up at 6 AM you're getting dirty looks if you leave at 5, because half of engineering doesn't show up until 10:30. I'm not saying it's right or good, I'm just saying it's reality. The implicit pressure is going to be "you have to stay for the team dinner," even if the dinner is "optional." So given that assumption, I would much rather the dinner happen at 6:30 and get home to my family than at 8:30. That way I would at least see my wife before she went to bed (let alone my daughter).
      • kirillzubovsky 9y ago
        Thanks for the clarification and you're 100% here. I wonder if people realize the kind of environment they are creating using these implicit triggers, or because everyone shows up and seems happy, the issue isn't addressed until it completely blows up, like in Uber's case.