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Chrome 60 Beta

104 points by happy-go-lucky 9y ago

j_s 9y ago
NOTE: Headless in Windows is fully supported in Chrome 60 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14498052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14498052 -- I was happy to learn Chrome is packaged by the PortableApps folks, simplifying side-by-side use of multiple versions with separate profiles. https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portabl... Please note that this is not intended to be used as your primary, everyday browser as it is not even to beta build quality. It will be updated as time permits to allow people to try out upcoming features of Chrome. source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14497989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14497989 It's handy for trying it out without installing the full app and update service on Windows. Or for running Stable, Dev, Beta on the same machine with separate profiles without needing command line switches.
- 0x0 9y ago
  Doesn't Chrome Canary already support side-by-side profiles/installs though? :)
  - JohnTHaller 9y ago
    Yes, the Canary branch of Chrome uses a separate profile by default. Stable, Beta, and Dev all use the same default profile on Windows. You can run them with a command line option in the form --user-data-dir="C:\MyCustom\PathToMy\profile" to get them to use a specific profile, but they will still step on each other a bit in the registry within HKCU\Software\Google. The portable launchers for Google Chrome Portable's various channels will take care of any registry weirdness.
- JohnTHaller 9y ago
  Thanks for mentioning us. I fixed a typo on the page as obviously the beta channel build is of beta quality :) If you're interested, in addition to running Stable, Beta, and Dev side by side without impacting each other or local installs, you can create a duplicate of your GoogleChromePortable folder and have yet another copy there. Pro tip: If you name duplicates in the style of GoogleChromePortable_Copy_1, etc the PortableApps.com Platform will automatically update them all. If you name them something else like GoogleChromePortableOld, the updater will ignore them, so you can hang on to a specific version. You can grab older Chrome releases from our SourceForge project as well to test against previous versions alongside current, too.
obilgic 9y ago
The Payment Request API is now supported on desktop versions of Chrome.
- an27 9y ago
  Whoooh, enter OSP (On Site Purchases)! Press OK to pay $.50 to read this WSJ article!
- captainmuon 9y ago
  The idealist in me cringes when he sees something like this. Why spoil something platonic, abstract, universal, like the web platform with something so accidential, petty, and bound to a specific culture and time, like payments? Not every thinkable society has money or will understand the concept of buying immaterial goods. Then the realist reminds himself APIs have a churn time of a couple of years, whereas we will probably still be using money in a century.
pspeter3 9y ago
The paint timing is a great addition. Hopefully other browsers add it too.
ganeshkrishnan 9y ago
With google bringing it's own adblocker to Google chrome (which is like calling up a casino for gambling addiction), I guess moving to open source chromium is the best idea now as long as Google is not dropping mysterious binary blobs to it (https://lwn.net/Articles/648392/ https://lwn.net/Articles/648392/)
- eric_h 9y ago
  > which is like calling up a casino for gambling addiction A random aside - the gambling addiction helpline in the US includes an item in the IVR for making reservations at a casino (I believe it's the first item mentioned), or at least it did several years ago.
- Kiro 9y ago
  > which is like calling up a casino for gambling addiction The analogy holds but I just want to point out that this is very common and all serious casino and poker businesses have staff working with terminating accounts for people requesting to be banned due to addiction. The same people are going over chat logs that get flagged due to mentioning of certain words like "addiction" and ban them even if they haven't requested it. If you tell a support agent that you're addicted you will be banned in an instant.
  - ballenf 9y ago
    Is that because addiction is a recognized medical disability and thus the people would have a claim against the casino in case of losses? Or more for PR?
    - Kiro 9y ago
      I can only speak for certain jurisdictions but apart from the reasons you mention it was a requirement from the Gambling Commission where I worked. In reality the casino found its ways to circumvent this for the whales though but that's a different topic.
      - 9y ago
7ewis 9y ago
Not sure if it's a Chrome update or macOS update as I did both at the same time, but since I updated to High Sierra I've started getting a lot of certificate errors in Chrome v59. I tried updating to the 60 Beta, but it is still occurring. My company use a Cisco WSA to decrypt HTTPS traffic, and that cert is suddenly no longer trusted, and I seem to be unable to trust it. Despite it never being required to be trusted previously. Sites load fine in Safari though and off my corporate network.
- gruturo 9y ago
  Same issue at my job with McAfee proxies doing SSL interception. Newest Chrome complains because it doesn't use the CN field anymore and now demands SAN (Subject Alternate Name) fields be present instead - but the certs generated by our proxy lack them.
  - pilif 9y ago
    This change has caused so much pain in our internal network too. Not because of intercepting proxies, but because of a ton of certs signed by an I terns CA. I really wonder what kind of issue triggered them changing this and whether it was Wort the trouble. Stuff like this is why I can understand companies still being reluctant to allow browsers other than IE
    - picofish 9y ago
      i think it was because the rfc that says which attributes of a cert must be checked by the browser was deprecated 15 years ago and everybody ignored the update (that says that the san attribute must be present)
- pronoiac 9y ago
  Gah! Is it blocking self-signed certs? I'd seen that in Canary, but it didn't show up in what I thought was the corresponding Chrome. At work, we use a lot of self-signed certs, and we have a hosted product that generates them too; figuring out a plan for handling that is no fun. The best workaround we found was using another browser.
cheerioty 9y ago
Still no official WebVR support? Or was it added in a previous version already? I know it was postponed a couple of times..
theprop 9y ago
Payment Request looks useful...anyone using it? Could VP9 replace widevine?
- molszanski 9y ago
  - Widevine is a DRM technology - VP9 or VP10/AV1 are the video codecs. Basically, a video compression technology.
benmarten 9y ago
Chromes versioning does not make any sense; do they have 60 breaking changes?
- CamelCaseName 9y ago
  Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_version_history
  - benmarten 9y ago
    Looking at the changes in 59; doesn’t seem any breaking change to me rather than features It just seems ridiculous to me to have 4 major releases in ‘17 alone
    - charrondev 9y ago
      If understand they do it on a schedule. A new major release every 6 weeks. Dev bumps to beta, beta bumps to stable, and the old stable is retired.
    - colemickens 9y ago
      >It just seems ridiculous to me to have 4 major releases in ‘17 alone Hm, why is that ridiculous? Do you just mean in terms of having "breaking changes" every 3 months? I guess I've never heard of someone bit by this... they'd have to be going out of their way to force a downgrade to trigger breakage from this, no?
- DiabloD3 9y ago
  Major number is incremented when any user facing data or setting changes (ie, ~/.chrome might not be backwards compatible anymore 100% safely). Minor number is incremented whenever. The number that is most important is the third number, the four digit build number, which increments monotonically and never resets. That is a more meaningful number than the first two, IMO anyways.
- sowbug 9y ago
yoodenvranx 9y ago
If there is anyone from the Chrome team reading here: Please increase the number of suggestions while typing in the Url bar! In Firefox I can see 10 suggestion but in Chrome I can only see between 3 to 5 which is not enough. This is especially annoying on Android where I prefer to do as little text input as possible and rather select urls from the suggestions. A long time ago this value could be modified but that command line option was removed years ago.
EvgeniyZh 9y ago
Will people understand that incrementing first number in version a couple times a year is bad before Chrome hits three digit version?
- captainmuon 9y ago
  Add a "1." before the version number in your head. It is all a matter of rescaling. Of course, the real reason for the crazy version numbers back then was to 1. get people to update, 2. to look more recent than Firefox (which has since followed suit), and 3. to stop people from programming websites towards certain version numbers (because nobody has a clue anymore what version they are running). I don't like it, but I can follow their reasoning.
  - EvgeniyZh 9y ago
    > Add a "1." before the version number in your head. It is all a matter of rescaling. That still won't turn it into semver ( http://semver.org/ http://semver.org/ ), and 1.127 is not much better than 127. Versioning can be not just random number to differentiate between two versions, but actually give useful information about changes to users and devs.

j_s 9y ago

NOTE: Headless in Windows is fully supported in Chrome 60 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14498052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14498052 -- I was happy to learn Chrome is packaged by the PortableApps folks, simplifying side-by-side use of multiple versions with separate profiles. https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portabl... Please note that this is not intended to be used as your primary, everyday browser as it is not even to beta build quality. It will be updated as time permits to allow people to try out upcoming features of Chrome. source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14497989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14497989 It's handy for trying it out without installing the full app and update service on Windows. Or for running Stable, Dev, Beta on the same machine with separate profiles without needing command line switches.

0x0 9y ago
Doesn't Chrome Canary already support side-by-side profiles/installs though? :)
- JohnTHaller 9y ago
  Yes, the Canary branch of Chrome uses a separate profile by default. Stable, Beta, and Dev all use the same default profile on Windows. You can run them with a command line option in the form --user-data-dir="C:\MyCustom\PathToMy\profile" to get them to use a specific profile, but they will still step on each other a bit in the registry within HKCU\Software\Google. The portable launchers for Google Chrome Portable's various channels will take care of any registry weirdness.
JohnTHaller 9y ago
Thanks for mentioning us. I fixed a typo on the page as obviously the beta channel build is of beta quality :) If you're interested, in addition to running Stable, Beta, and Dev side by side without impacting each other or local installs, you can create a duplicate of your GoogleChromePortable folder and have yet another copy there. Pro tip: If you name duplicates in the style of GoogleChromePortable_Copy_1, etc the PortableApps.com Platform will automatically update them all. If you name them something else like GoogleChromePortableOld, the updater will ignore them, so you can hang on to a specific version. You can grab older Chrome releases from our SourceForge project as well to test against previous versions alongside current, too.

obilgic 9y ago

The Payment Request API is now supported on desktop versions of Chrome.

an27 9y ago
Whoooh, enter OSP (On Site Purchases)! Press OK to pay $.50 to read this WSJ article!
captainmuon 9y ago
The idealist in me cringes when he sees something like this. Why spoil something platonic, abstract, universal, like the web platform with something so accidential, petty, and bound to a specific culture and time, like payments? Not every thinkable society has money or will understand the concept of buying immaterial goods. Then the realist reminds himself APIs have a churn time of a couple of years, whereas we will probably still be using money in a century.

pspeter3 9y ago

The paint timing is a great addition. Hopefully other browsers add it too.

ganeshkrishnan 9y ago

With google bringing it's own adblocker to Google chrome (which is like calling up a casino for gambling addiction), I guess moving to open source chromium is the best idea now as long as Google is not dropping mysterious binary blobs to it (https://lwn.net/Articles/648392/ https://lwn.net/Articles/648392/)

eric_h 9y ago
> which is like calling up a casino for gambling addiction A random aside - the gambling addiction helpline in the US includes an item in the IVR for making reservations at a casino (I believe it's the first item mentioned), or at least it did several years ago.
Kiro 9y ago
> which is like calling up a casino for gambling addiction The analogy holds but I just want to point out that this is very common and all serious casino and poker businesses have staff working with terminating accounts for people requesting to be banned due to addiction. The same people are going over chat logs that get flagged due to mentioning of certain words like "addiction" and ban them even if they haven't requested it. If you tell a support agent that you're addicted you will be banned in an instant.
- ballenf 9y ago
  Is that because addiction is a recognized medical disability and thus the people would have a claim against the casino in case of losses? Or more for PR?
  - Kiro 9y ago
    I can only speak for certain jurisdictions but apart from the reasons you mention it was a requirement from the Gambling Commission where I worked. In reality the casino found its ways to circumvent this for the whales though but that's a different topic.
    - 9y ago

7ewis 9y ago

Not sure if it's a Chrome update or macOS update as I did both at the same time, but since I updated to High Sierra I've started getting a lot of certificate errors in Chrome v59. I tried updating to the 60 Beta, but it is still occurring. My company use a Cisco WSA to decrypt HTTPS traffic, and that cert is suddenly no longer trusted, and I seem to be unable to trust it. Despite it never being required to be trusted previously. Sites load fine in Safari though and off my corporate network.

gruturo 9y ago
Same issue at my job with McAfee proxies doing SSL interception. Newest Chrome complains because it doesn't use the CN field anymore and now demands SAN (Subject Alternate Name) fields be present instead - but the certs generated by our proxy lack them.
- pilif 9y ago
  This change has caused so much pain in our internal network too. Not because of intercepting proxies, but because of a ton of certs signed by an I terns CA. I really wonder what kind of issue triggered them changing this and whether it was Wort the trouble. Stuff like this is why I can understand companies still being reluctant to allow browsers other than IE
  - picofish 9y ago
    i think it was because the rfc that says which attributes of a cert must be checked by the browser was deprecated 15 years ago and everybody ignored the update (that says that the san attribute must be present)
pronoiac 9y ago
Gah! Is it blocking self-signed certs? I'd seen that in Canary, but it didn't show up in what I thought was the corresponding Chrome. At work, we use a lot of self-signed certs, and we have a hosted product that generates them too; figuring out a plan for handling that is no fun. The best workaround we found was using another browser.

cheerioty 9y ago

Still no official WebVR support? Or was it added in a previous version already? I know it was postponed a couple of times..

theprop 9y ago

Payment Request looks useful...anyone using it? Could VP9 replace widevine?

molszanski 9y ago
- Widevine is a DRM technology - VP9 or VP10/AV1 are the video codecs. Basically, a video compression technology.

benmarten 9y ago

Chromes versioning does not make any sense; do they have 60 breaking changes?

CamelCaseName 9y ago
Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_version_history
- benmarten 9y ago
  Looking at the changes in 59; doesn’t seem any breaking change to me rather than features It just seems ridiculous to me to have 4 major releases in ‘17 alone
  - charrondev 9y ago
    If understand they do it on a schedule. A new major release every 6 weeks. Dev bumps to beta, beta bumps to stable, and the old stable is retired.
  - colemickens 9y ago
    >It just seems ridiculous to me to have 4 major releases in ‘17 alone Hm, why is that ridiculous? Do you just mean in terms of having "breaking changes" every 3 months? I guess I've never heard of someone bit by this... they'd have to be going out of their way to force a downgrade to trigger breakage from this, no?
DiabloD3 9y ago
Major number is incremented when any user facing data or setting changes (ie, ~/.chrome might not be backwards compatible anymore 100% safely). Minor number is incremented whenever. The number that is most important is the third number, the four digit build number, which increments monotonically and never resets. That is a more meaningful number than the first two, IMO anyways.
sowbug 9y ago

yoodenvranx 9y ago

If there is anyone from the Chrome team reading here: Please increase the number of suggestions while typing in the Url bar! In Firefox I can see 10 suggestion but in Chrome I can only see between 3 to 5 which is not enough. This is especially annoying on Android where I prefer to do as little text input as possible and rather select urls from the suggestions. A long time ago this value could be modified but that command line option was removed years ago.

EvgeniyZh 9y ago

Will people understand that incrementing first number in version a couple times a year is bad before Chrome hits three digit version?

captainmuon 9y ago
Add a "1." before the version number in your head. It is all a matter of rescaling. Of course, the real reason for the crazy version numbers back then was to 1. get people to update, 2. to look more recent than Firefox (which has since followed suit), and 3. to stop people from programming websites towards certain version numbers (because nobody has a clue anymore what version they are running). I don't like it, but I can follow their reasoning.
- EvgeniyZh 9y ago
  > Add a "1." before the version number in your head. It is all a matter of rescaling. That still won't turn it into semver ( http://semver.org/ http://semver.org/ ), and 1.127 is not much better than 127. Versioning can be not just random number to differentiate between two versions, but actually give useful information about changes to users and devs.