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Did we watch the same WWDC? macOS is in maintenance mode no mater how they try to mask it and still somehow I keep experiencing more bugs with every release. At

Did we watch the same WWDC? macOS is in maintenance mode no mater how they try to mask it and still somehow I keep experiencing more bugs with every release. At least they are going to update their hardware this time around huh? Is that what passes for "being focused on macs" these days? Last year was like they completely forgot about us, this year they are throwing us breadcrumps. EDIT: Since I keep getting the same replies, I'm gonna edit it here too: 1. When you are in maintenance mode and you still manage to introduce more bugs than you are fixing then your are doing something wrong (usually that's a result of limiting the budget of a department and as a consequence hiring less experienced developers) 2. Every new feature the last few years has been ported from iOS and without much care. I still can't believe they have yet to make Siri and Spotlight one unified product (at least make Spotlight more powerful, I can't even set a timer with it). And to add to this, being in maintenance mode doesn't have immediate effects. If Apple continues like this somewhere down the line macOS is gonna end up quite behind (and a big mess due to points 1. and 2.)

chaostheory 9y ago
I prefer macOS being in maintenance mode instead of becoming bloated with new but unimportant features especially given the 16 GB limit. The lack of hardware refreshes wouldn't have been horrible if Apple's hardware was easily upgradable like pre-retina models
- PayForPeenus 9y ago
  "... given the 16 GB limit." Can you explain that? I mean, as a 64bit operation system, that doesn't jive. Are you talking about physical memory in machines that are being sold now? I've swapped out tons of memory and never heard about this. - this isn't a jab either. I seriously am not sure what you mean. (no insult intended)
  - kogepathic 9y ago
    > "... given the 16 GB limit." Can you explain that? They are referring to the fact that Apple portables ship with soldered memory and max out at 16GB while PC manufacturers are shipping systems which support 32 and even 64GB in laptop/mobile workstation form factor. So they are referring to the physical memory (RAM) limit of Apple devices, not any logical limitations of the OS.
  - phil21 9y ago
    most likely the 16GB limit on the Macbook Pro
  - eric_h 9y ago
    You can't purchase a laptop from apple with more than 16GB of RAM, and what you get is soldered to the motherboard anyway.
  - ihuman 9y ago
    Its limited because they are using low power LPDDR3 ram, which its limited to 16GB. LPDDR4 doesn't have this limit, but isn't supported by intel on Kabylake. https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/01/macbook-pro-16gb-32gb-ram/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/01/macbook-pro-16gb-32gb-ram/
PayForPeenus 9y ago
Couldn't disagree more. The macOS it its current iteration is a platform. With that platform you have a stack. Within that stack you support unward / downward functions depending on what you want. Just take a look at what Tridium does with their Niagara AX automation platform and the world of IoT and energy and you'll see what Apple most likely is iterating towards. https://www.tridium.com/en/products-services/building-automation https://www.tridium.com/en/products-services/building-automa...
notfried 9y ago
What's so bad about maintenance mode? Do we really need a major new OS revision every year!? An OS is a platform, it's not a product of its own.
- numerlo 9y ago
  1. When you are in maintenance mode and you still manage to introduce more bugs than you are fixing then your are doing something wrong (usually that's a result of limiting the budget of a department and as a consequence hiring less experienced developers) 2. Every new feature the last few years has been ported from iOS and without much care. I still can't believe they have yet to make Siri and Spotlight one unified product (at least make Spotlight more powerful, I can't even set a timer with it).
- Aqua_Geek 9y ago
  I don't need a new OS, but modernizing AppKit and other frameworks would be a godsend!
- jamesrcole 9y ago
  > What's so bad about maintenance mode? Do we really need a major new OS revision every year!? That's a false dichotomy. Do you really believe they are the only options?
  - Angostura 9y ago
    Luckily Apple is ignoring the false dichotomy and giving us reasonable OS updates every year.
cwbrandsma 9y ago
a new file system is a pretty big deal (and a non-trivial one at that, just ask Microsoft). But I'm wondering what features you are want out of MacOS?

chaostheory 9y ago

I prefer macOS being in maintenance mode instead of becoming bloated with new but unimportant features especially given the 16 GB limit. The lack of hardware refreshes wouldn't have been horrible if Apple's hardware was easily upgradable like pre-retina models

PayForPeenus 9y ago
"... given the 16 GB limit." Can you explain that? I mean, as a 64bit operation system, that doesn't jive. Are you talking about physical memory in machines that are being sold now? I've swapped out tons of memory and never heard about this. - this isn't a jab either. I seriously am not sure what you mean. (no insult intended)
- kogepathic 9y ago
  > "... given the 16 GB limit." Can you explain that? They are referring to the fact that Apple portables ship with soldered memory and max out at 16GB while PC manufacturers are shipping systems which support 32 and even 64GB in laptop/mobile workstation form factor. So they are referring to the physical memory (RAM) limit of Apple devices, not any logical limitations of the OS.
- phil21 9y ago
  most likely the 16GB limit on the Macbook Pro
- eric_h 9y ago
  You can't purchase a laptop from apple with more than 16GB of RAM, and what you get is soldered to the motherboard anyway.
- ihuman 9y ago
  Its limited because they are using low power LPDDR3 ram, which its limited to 16GB. LPDDR4 doesn't have this limit, but isn't supported by intel on Kabylake. https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/01/macbook-pro-16gb-32gb-ram/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/01/macbook-pro-16gb-32gb-ram/

PayForPeenus 9y ago

Couldn't disagree more. The macOS it its current iteration is a platform. With that platform you have a stack. Within that stack you support unward / downward functions depending on what you want. Just take a look at what Tridium does with their Niagara AX automation platform and the world of IoT and energy and you'll see what Apple most likely is iterating towards. https://www.tridium.com/en/products-services/building-automation https://www.tridium.com/en/products-services/building-automa...

notfried 9y ago

What's so bad about maintenance mode? Do we really need a major new OS revision every year!? An OS is a platform, it's not a product of its own.

numerlo 9y ago
1. When you are in maintenance mode and you still manage to introduce more bugs than you are fixing then your are doing something wrong (usually that's a result of limiting the budget of a department and as a consequence hiring less experienced developers) 2. Every new feature the last few years has been ported from iOS and without much care. I still can't believe they have yet to make Siri and Spotlight one unified product (at least make Spotlight more powerful, I can't even set a timer with it).
Aqua_Geek 9y ago
I don't need a new OS, but modernizing AppKit and other frameworks would be a godsend!
jamesrcole 9y ago
> What's so bad about maintenance mode? Do we really need a major new OS revision every year!? That's a false dichotomy. Do you really believe they are the only options?
- Angostura 9y ago
  Luckily Apple is ignoring the false dichotomy and giving us reasonable OS updates every year.

cwbrandsma 9y ago

a new file system is a pretty big deal (and a non-trivial one at that, just ask Microsoft). But I'm wondering what features you are want out of MacOS?