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For Canadians it's the status quo. I was looking for my first job out of college, offers in Canada were 1/2 what they were in Seattle. Cost of living was lowe

For Canadians it's the status quo. I was looking for my first job out of college, offers in Canada were 1/2 what they were in Seattle. Cost of living was lower than Vancouver. A TN visa was a low barrier. This story repeats over and over again.

moolcool 9y ago
Everyone in this thread is talking about Vancouver, which is a housing nightmare. The scene in other Canadian cities is more practical
- shados 9y ago
  Where? Toronto housing isn't cheap by Canadian standards, and salaries, while higher as far as I know, are not super high either. Montreal is ridiculous since it is essentially NYC's favorite "nearshoring" . It's also big for game dev, which pays like crap even by Montreal standards. Is it better in Edmonton? No idea. But with Vancouver/Montreal/Toronto out of the picture, that leaves precious few options.
  - raverbashing 9y ago
    Montreal rents are not too expensive, no. There are other issues though
    - watter 9y ago
      If you can learn a programming language you can learn to say bonjour and order a meal in French. I know, I have done this.
      - wayn3 9y ago
        doesnt mean that you want to.
      - raverbashing 9y ago
        Correct, and that's not an issue (for me) But the rigorous winters are one, also see my other comment in this thread
      - shados 9y ago
        The OQLF breathing down our neck bitching we didn't translate every single piece of internal software we had and exclusively use Quebec layout keyboard was fucking annoying. They apply their rules in a discretionary fashion so it affects different companies differently, but having to fend them off continually is a pain. The caliber of engineer is just bad too. There's always the occasional superstar teams, but it's really, really hard to find a good spot unless you have connections...and even if you do, 2 years later as personnel shifts it goes to hell again. I would have taken a pay -cut- to work in a different city. Fortunately, you'll never have to since the salaries are so bad.

moolcool 9y ago

Everyone in this thread is talking about Vancouver, which is a housing nightmare. The scene in other Canadian cities is more practical

shados 9y ago
Where? Toronto housing isn't cheap by Canadian standards, and salaries, while higher as far as I know, are not super high either. Montreal is ridiculous since it is essentially NYC's favorite "nearshoring" . It's also big for game dev, which pays like crap even by Montreal standards. Is it better in Edmonton? No idea. But with Vancouver/Montreal/Toronto out of the picture, that leaves precious few options.
- raverbashing 9y ago
  Montreal rents are not too expensive, no. There are other issues though
  - watter 9y ago
    If you can learn a programming language you can learn to say bonjour and order a meal in French. I know, I have done this.
    - wayn3 9y ago
      doesnt mean that you want to.
    - raverbashing 9y ago
      Correct, and that's not an issue (for me) But the rigorous winters are one, also see my other comment in this thread
    - shados 9y ago
      The OQLF breathing down our neck bitching we didn't translate every single piece of internal software we had and exclusively use Quebec layout keyboard was fucking annoying. They apply their rules in a discretionary fashion so it affects different companies differently, but having to fend them off continually is a pain. The caliber of engineer is just bad too. There's always the occasional superstar teams, but it's really, really hard to find a good spot unless you have connections...and even if you do, 2 years later as personnel shifts it goes to hell again. I would have taken a pay -cut- to work in a different city. Fortunately, you'll never have to since the salaries are so bad.