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I'd open up all the borders without restriction. It would be a madhouse for the first decade but then the world would be much better off in the long run. It w

I'd open up all the borders without restriction. It would be a madhouse for the first decade but then the world would be much better off in the long run. It would be the first step in a united planet rather than the pettiness we suffer now with individual competing states.

UweSchmidt 9y ago
I agree on the 'madhouse' part.
sintaxi 9y ago
LOL
jimmyk 9y ago
The people in countries that have built up valuable commons have a tremendous incentive to restrict access to them. How would you get them to go along with this?
legolas2412 9y ago
I think that would only come to pass if you set up a global planet-wide government at the same time.
stale2002 9y ago
Uhh, how about instead, we let Europe do that. And then us in America and Canada can see how that works out for them. The beauty of countries is that different countries can try vastly different things, and then we can look at the results afterwords and see which countries made good decisions and which made bad decisions.
- winter_blue 9y ago
  Well, the United States is a living example of a country that tried that, and um ... hasn't failed because of it. Until the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, there were no restrictions on immigration. And after that, the immigration of white people was still completely unrestricted, until the Immigration Act of 1921. And after which, it was still relatively easy for citizens from Western European countries to move to the US (thanks to the "National Origins formula", up until the Immigration Act of 1965 was passed.
  - stale2002 9y ago
    Sure. Back in the day, every new immigrant was one more able body, able to help colonize the rugged expanse, as well as work the farms, factories and railroads. These days, we don't need any more able-bodied factory workers. We are no longer an industrial-labor economy. We need service and skilled labor, instead.
    - sedachv 9y ago
      > Back in the day, every new immigrant was one more able body, able to help colonize the rugged expanse, as well as work the farms, factories and railroads. You need to stop relying on television shows for understanding history and read more. There was no "rugged expanse," there was an ongoing Native American genocide. Geronimo died in 1909. The Indian Wars did not end until 1924. As to how much laborers were really needed in factories, Sinclair's The Jungle (published in 1906) is a good illustration.
  - jimmyk 9y ago
    >Well, the United States is a living example of a country that tried that, and um ... hasn't failed because of it. When did the US A) allow unrestricted immigration of people of non-European origin, B) actually have significant numbers of immigrants of non-European origin, and C) not quickly move to restrict that immigration? Unrestricted immigration of people of European origins is not the same thing as opening up the borders without restriction.

UweSchmidt 9y ago

I agree on the 'madhouse' part.

sintaxi 9y ago

LOL

jimmyk 9y ago

The people in countries that have built up valuable commons have a tremendous incentive to restrict access to them. How would you get them to go along with this?

legolas2412 9y ago

I think that would only come to pass if you set up a global planet-wide government at the same time.

stale2002 9y ago

Uhh, how about instead, we let Europe do that. And then us in America and Canada can see how that works out for them. The beauty of countries is that different countries can try vastly different things, and then we can look at the results afterwords and see which countries made good decisions and which made bad decisions.

winter_blue 9y ago
Well, the United States is a living example of a country that tried that, and um ... hasn't failed because of it. Until the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, there were no restrictions on immigration. And after that, the immigration of white people was still completely unrestricted, until the Immigration Act of 1921. And after which, it was still relatively easy for citizens from Western European countries to move to the US (thanks to the "National Origins formula", up until the Immigration Act of 1965 was passed.
- stale2002 9y ago
  Sure. Back in the day, every new immigrant was one more able body, able to help colonize the rugged expanse, as well as work the farms, factories and railroads. These days, we don't need any more able-bodied factory workers. We are no longer an industrial-labor economy. We need service and skilled labor, instead.
  - sedachv 9y ago
    > Back in the day, every new immigrant was one more able body, able to help colonize the rugged expanse, as well as work the farms, factories and railroads. You need to stop relying on television shows for understanding history and read more. There was no "rugged expanse," there was an ongoing Native American genocide. Geronimo died in 1909. The Indian Wars did not end until 1924. As to how much laborers were really needed in factories, Sinclair's The Jungle (published in 1906) is a good illustration.
- jimmyk 9y ago
  >Well, the United States is a living example of a country that tried that, and um ... hasn't failed because of it. When did the US A) allow unrestricted immigration of people of non-European origin, B) actually have significant numbers of immigrants of non-European origin, and C) not quickly move to restrict that immigration? Unrestricted immigration of people of European origins is not the same thing as opening up the borders without restriction.