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But the manufacturer doesn't have to disclose that information if there's no regulation compelling them to, or they can downright lie if nobody's there watching

But the manufacturer doesn't have to disclose that information if there's no regulation compelling them to, or they can downright lie if nobody's there watching them. Or just put random shit in there that hasn't been tested for safety. http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20150218/e-cigarette-ingredients http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20150218/e-cigar... >The results of one FDA review of 18 different e-cigarette cartridges found toxic and carcinogenic chemicals in some but not others. All but one of the cartridges labeled “no nicotine” did, in fact, contain nicotine. The authors suggest that “quality control processes used to manufacture these products are inconsistent or non-existent.” > Flavorings: Goniewicz says hundreds of flavors exist, including cherry, cheesecake, cinnamon, and tobacco. Many of those flavoring chemicals, he says, are also used to flavor food. >“These are the big unknowns,” he says. “When we eat them, they are safe, but we don’t know what’s going on when we inhale them.”

mistermann 9y ago
> Or just put random shit in there that hasn't been tested for safety. a) Do you honestly think companies would do this? b) The same silly "risk" applies to most any manufacturer - having a "regulation" in no way guarantees your cereal manufacturer isn't putting poison in your cereal, because why wouldn't he, right? (To use similar logic). > The results of one FDA review of 18 different e-cigarette cartridges found toxic and carcinogenic chemicals in some but not others. And the source manufacturer (country) of these? Zero details, as usual. Shall we stop selling infant formula in the US because infant formula contains melamine which can and does kill people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal If these agencies weren't deliberately so opaque, I'd perhaps be less distrustful. Perfectly fair final point on inhalation of flavors, and good luck finding anyone in the industry that is opposed to further testing. Everyone very much wants a safe product.
- creepydata 9y ago
  Here's the FDA summary report - https://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm173146.htm https://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm173146.h... - and the actual report - https://www.fda.gov/downloads/drugs/scienceresearch/ucm173250.pdf https://www.fda.gov/downloads/drugs/scienceresearch/ucm17325... it's not "deliberately opaque" And um, yes, the supplement industry is essentially unregulated and is notorious for doing exactly that - putting random shit in there that hasn't been tested for safety and isn't listed on the label. That's up to and including controlled prescription medications. https://www.livescience.com/40357-herbal-products-unlisted-ingredient.html https://www.livescience.com/40357-herbal-products-unlisted-i... https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/dangerous-dietary-supplements-return-to-store-shelves/ https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/dangerous-dietary-... Nor did I ever say, or even imply, we should stop selling e-cigs or any other product for that matter.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    The supplement industry is very different, in many different ways, a gigantic one being source of ingredients. The point is, we have uncertainty being printed as confirmed danger, in a billion dollar industry (with a very well documented history of deceit) selling a product known to kill, at risk of being completely disrupted. Pardon me if I'm a little skeptical of misleading claims.

mistermann 9y ago

> Or just put random shit in there that hasn't been tested for safety. a) Do you honestly think companies would do this? b) The same silly "risk" applies to most any manufacturer - having a "regulation" in no way guarantees your cereal manufacturer isn't putting poison in your cereal, because why wouldn't he, right? (To use similar logic). > The results of one FDA review of 18 different e-cigarette cartridges found toxic and carcinogenic chemicals in some but not others. And the source manufacturer (country) of these? Zero details, as usual. Shall we stop selling infant formula in the US because infant formula contains melamine which can and does kill people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal If these agencies weren't deliberately so opaque, I'd perhaps be less distrustful. Perfectly fair final point on inhalation of flavors, and good luck finding anyone in the industry that is opposed to further testing. Everyone very much wants a safe product.

creepydata 9y ago
Here's the FDA summary report - https://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm173146.htm https://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm173146.h... - and the actual report - https://www.fda.gov/downloads/drugs/scienceresearch/ucm173250.pdf https://www.fda.gov/downloads/drugs/scienceresearch/ucm17325... it's not "deliberately opaque" And um, yes, the supplement industry is essentially unregulated and is notorious for doing exactly that - putting random shit in there that hasn't been tested for safety and isn't listed on the label. That's up to and including controlled prescription medications. https://www.livescience.com/40357-herbal-products-unlisted-ingredient.html https://www.livescience.com/40357-herbal-products-unlisted-i... https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/dangerous-dietary-supplements-return-to-store-shelves/ https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/dangerous-dietary-... Nor did I ever say, or even imply, we should stop selling e-cigs or any other product for that matter.
- mistermann 9y ago
  The supplement industry is very different, in many different ways, a gigantic one being source of ingredients. The point is, we have uncertainty being printed as confirmed danger, in a billion dollar industry (with a very well documented history of deceit) selling a product known to kill, at risk of being completely disrupted. Pardon me if I'm a little skeptical of misleading claims.