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Damn, too bad they don't accept .ac.uk addresses :( I feel like there should be a standardised way to ensure users are students/affiliated with an educational i

by lol768 9y ago

Damn, too bad they don't accept .ac.uk addresses :( I feel like there should be a standardised way to ensure users are students/affiliated with an educational institution (maybe an international federation on top of SAML a la the UK Access Management Federation). I guess at the end of the day the NSA want students in the US, who are likely US citizens and thus eligible for a job.

eriknstr 9y ago
Not a standard but https://github.com/leereilly/swot https://github.com/leereilly/swot comes to mind.
Vera527 9y ago
I see what you did there. Good luck bypassing the filter.
amjd 9y ago
> I feel like there should be a standardised way to ensure users are students/affiliated with an educational institution There's ISIC (International Student Identity Card) [1], but I don't imagine it's used widely. [1] https://www.myisic.com/isic-card/ https://www.myisic.com/isic-card/
tripzilch 9y ago
> I feel like there should be a standardised way to ensure users are students/affiliated with an educational institution or you know, they could just open it for the public, given that there's such a wide gap in quality, cost, subsidy and affordability between higher education worldwide. only after I stepped out the university bubble, I saw how unfair this "educational license" stuff really is. so many people who just can't afford to, so many people who don't have access to actual quality education (and don't want to throw money away just to get a piece of paper), so many smart people that spent years in "lower" (level) education (often family background not aiming high enough for their daughter/son) and then not qualifying for further funding (I'm seeing this a lot in the Netherlands, recently, it's really sad). question is, what are you really selecting for by only accepting affiliation with an educational institution? who are you excluding and why? (note: I put "lower" in quotes, because I feel everyone should in principle receive education to the best of their abilities. learning skills/knowledge/stuff is the goal and there's nothing wrong if that's not university-level. it's a wide world out there with so many beautiful different kinds of people)
- lol768 9y ago
  You raise some really interesting points, and it's something I've never really considered befoer. I'm curious as to how you think it should work, though - a universal non-commercial license that people can use personally? Do you think there's much scope for abuse in terms of people using the licenses commercially without funding the company behind the product, though? As an example I'm considering JetBrains' IDEs, but I think the same concerns could be applied to a wide variety of products.

by lol768 9y ago

eriknstr 9y ago

Not a standard but https://github.com/leereilly/swot https://github.com/leereilly/swot comes to mind.

Vera527 9y ago

I see what you did there. Good luck bypassing the filter.

amjd 9y ago

> I feel like there should be a standardised way to ensure users are students/affiliated with an educational institution There's ISIC (International Student Identity Card) [1], but I don't imagine it's used widely. [1] https://www.myisic.com/isic-card/ https://www.myisic.com/isic-card/

tripzilch 9y ago

> I feel like there should be a standardised way to ensure users are students/affiliated with an educational institution or you know, they could just open it for the public, given that there's such a wide gap in quality, cost, subsidy and affordability between higher education worldwide. only after I stepped out the university bubble, I saw how unfair this "educational license" stuff really is. so many people who just can't afford to, so many people who don't have access to actual quality education (and don't want to throw money away just to get a piece of paper), so many smart people that spent years in "lower" (level) education (often family background not aiming high enough for their daughter/son) and then not qualifying for further funding (I'm seeing this a lot in the Netherlands, recently, it's really sad). question is, what are you really selecting for by only accepting affiliation with an educational institution? who are you excluding and why? (note: I put "lower" in quotes, because I feel everyone should in principle receive education to the best of their abilities. learning skills/knowledge/stuff is the goal and there's nothing wrong if that's not university-level. it's a wide world out there with so many beautiful different kinds of people)

lol768 9y ago
You raise some really interesting points, and it's something I've never really considered befoer. I'm curious as to how you think it should work, though - a universal non-commercial license that people can use personally? Do you think there's much scope for abuse in terms of people using the licenses commercially without funding the company behind the product, though? As an example I'm considering JetBrains' IDEs, but I think the same concerns could be applied to a wide variety of products.