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"The internet has utterly failed us on data about smoking." Wikipedia seems fairly rational about nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine https://en.w

by VLM 9y ago

"The internet has utterly failed us on data about smoking." Wikipedia seems fairly rational about nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine It seems to boil down to "mostly harmless" whereas all the delivery technologies for it, other than the patch, seem to be almost infinitely more dangerous than the nicotine itself.

kwhitefoot 9y ago
"mostly harmless" perhaps but definitely not "harmless". From the Wikipedia article: > by the 1980s the use of nicotine insecticide had declined below 200 tons. This was due to the availability of other insecticides that are cheaper and less harmful to mammals. > Currently, nicotine, even in the form of tobacco dust, is prohibited as a pesticide for organic farming in the United States/ Actually the thing that pisses me off about e-cigs is the clouds of flavoured vapour that I get bombarded with. I don't want to inhale second hand raspberry flavoured steam.
- VLM 9y ago
  Nothing is harmless. People drown in drinkable fresh water all the time.
- mistercow 9y ago
  Don't worry: it's not steam, it's glycerin and propylene glycol.
  - Doxin 9y ago
    E-cig liquids are, much like smoke machine fluid, mostly water. Except maybe the fluids used in the competitive smoke blowing stuff. glycerin/glycol is the delivery mechanism, water is the propellant.
  - kwhitefoot 9y ago
    I'm not worried, I was specifically annoyed at a person in a bus queue puffing vast clouds of this stuff at me.
- collyw 9y ago
  > I don't want to inhale second hand raspberry flavoured steam. Though quite happy inhaling diesel particles every day no doubt?
  - kwhitefoot 9y ago
    > Though quite happy inhaling diesel particles every day no doubt? What leads you to that conclusion? No, I do not _happily_ inhale diesel particles ever. Luckily I live in a country where diesel pollution is now taken seriously so the problem is declining but the use of e-cigarettes is increasing.

by VLM 9y ago

kwhitefoot 9y ago

"mostly harmless" perhaps but definitely not "harmless". From the Wikipedia article: > by the 1980s the use of nicotine insecticide had declined below 200 tons. This was due to the availability of other insecticides that are cheaper and less harmful to mammals. > Currently, nicotine, even in the form of tobacco dust, is prohibited as a pesticide for organic farming in the United States/ Actually the thing that pisses me off about e-cigs is the clouds of flavoured vapour that I get bombarded with. I don't want to inhale second hand raspberry flavoured steam.

VLM 9y ago
Nothing is harmless. People drown in drinkable fresh water all the time.
mistercow 9y ago
Don't worry: it's not steam, it's glycerin and propylene glycol.
- Doxin 9y ago
  E-cig liquids are, much like smoke machine fluid, mostly water. Except maybe the fluids used in the competitive smoke blowing stuff. glycerin/glycol is the delivery mechanism, water is the propellant.
- kwhitefoot 9y ago
  I'm not worried, I was specifically annoyed at a person in a bus queue puffing vast clouds of this stuff at me.
collyw 9y ago
> I don't want to inhale second hand raspberry flavoured steam. Though quite happy inhaling diesel particles every day no doubt?
- kwhitefoot 9y ago
  > Though quite happy inhaling diesel particles every day no doubt? What leads you to that conclusion? No, I do not _happily_ inhale diesel particles ever. Luckily I live in a country where diesel pollution is now taken seriously so the problem is declining but the use of e-cigarettes is increasing.