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I was one of those people who was pretty well convinced that e-cigarettes and cigarettes were both about equal as far as danger due to the nicotine. E-cigarette

by Kequc 9y ago

I was one of those people who was pretty well convinced that e-cigarettes and cigarettes were both about equal as far as danger due to the nicotine. E-cigarettes delivering on average throughout the day more nicotine than cigarettes. And cigarettes, delivering ash. A few years ago I read a convincing article to the contrary from the NHS. Detailing how the most dangerous carcinogens came from combustion of tobacco. Smoking related signalling has been a train wreck for a decade or more now, so of course after this article came out the very same NHS started talking about banning certain types of e-cigarettes. I don't know what's going on anymore. It doesn't help that there are zealots that spam information about e-cigarettes being perfectly safe, and charities that spam information about cigarettes killing you and everyone around you so donate right away. The internet has utterly failed us on data about smoking. If anyone knows what's actually going on, then they are lost in a sea of other people that are doing their best to shout over one another.

rb808 9y ago
> The XXXX has utterly failed us on data about YYYY. If anyone knows what's actually going on, then they are lost in a sea of other people that are doing their best to shout over one another. Lol - like most of the modern world - Internet or not. :)
VLM 9y ago
"The internet has utterly failed us on data about smoking." Wikipedia seems fairly rational about nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine It seems to boil down to "mostly harmless" whereas all the delivery technologies for it, other than the patch, seem to be almost infinitely more dangerous than the nicotine itself.
- kwhitefoot 9y ago
  "mostly harmless" perhaps but definitely not "harmless". From the Wikipedia article: > by the 1980s the use of nicotine insecticide had declined below 200 tons. This was due to the availability of other insecticides that are cheaper and less harmful to mammals. > Currently, nicotine, even in the form of tobacco dust, is prohibited as a pesticide for organic farming in the United States/ Actually the thing that pisses me off about e-cigs is the clouds of flavoured vapour that I get bombarded with. I don't want to inhale second hand raspberry flavoured steam.
  - VLM 9y ago
    Nothing is harmless. People drown in drinkable fresh water all the time.
  - mistercow 9y ago
    Don't worry: it's not steam, it's glycerin and propylene glycol.
    - Doxin 9y ago
      E-cig liquids are, much like smoke machine fluid, mostly water. Except maybe the fluids used in the competitive smoke blowing stuff. glycerin/glycol is the delivery mechanism, water is the propellant.
    - kwhitefoot 9y ago
      I'm not worried, I was specifically annoyed at a person in a bus queue puffing vast clouds of this stuff at me.
  - collyw 9y ago
    > I don't want to inhale second hand raspberry flavoured steam. Though quite happy inhaling diesel particles every day no doubt?
    - kwhitefoot 9y ago
      > Though quite happy inhaling diesel particles every day no doubt? What leads you to that conclusion? No, I do not _happily_ inhale diesel particles ever. Luckily I live in a country where diesel pollution is now taken seriously so the problem is declining but the use of e-cigarettes is increasing.

by Kequc 9y ago

rb808 9y ago

> The XXXX has utterly failed us on data about YYYY. If anyone knows what's actually going on, then they are lost in a sea of other people that are doing their best to shout over one another. Lol - like most of the modern world - Internet or not. :)

VLM 9y ago

"The internet has utterly failed us on data about smoking." Wikipedia seems fairly rational about nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine It seems to boil down to "mostly harmless" whereas all the delivery technologies for it, other than the patch, seem to be almost infinitely more dangerous than the nicotine itself.

kwhitefoot 9y ago
"mostly harmless" perhaps but definitely not "harmless". From the Wikipedia article: > by the 1980s the use of nicotine insecticide had declined below 200 tons. This was due to the availability of other insecticides that are cheaper and less harmful to mammals. > Currently, nicotine, even in the form of tobacco dust, is prohibited as a pesticide for organic farming in the United States/ Actually the thing that pisses me off about e-cigs is the clouds of flavoured vapour that I get bombarded with. I don't want to inhale second hand raspberry flavoured steam.
- VLM 9y ago
  Nothing is harmless. People drown in drinkable fresh water all the time.
- mistercow 9y ago
  Don't worry: it's not steam, it's glycerin and propylene glycol.
  - Doxin 9y ago
    E-cig liquids are, much like smoke machine fluid, mostly water. Except maybe the fluids used in the competitive smoke blowing stuff. glycerin/glycol is the delivery mechanism, water is the propellant.
  - kwhitefoot 9y ago
    I'm not worried, I was specifically annoyed at a person in a bus queue puffing vast clouds of this stuff at me.
- collyw 9y ago
  > I don't want to inhale second hand raspberry flavoured steam. Though quite happy inhaling diesel particles every day no doubt?
  - kwhitefoot 9y ago
    > Though quite happy inhaling diesel particles every day no doubt? What leads you to that conclusion? No, I do not _happily_ inhale diesel particles ever. Luckily I live in a country where diesel pollution is now taken seriously so the problem is declining but the use of e-cigarettes is increasing.