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I must be pretty out of the loop on things but I had no idea (though probably should have suspected) that Oracle had a competing product. Is it successful? Who

I must be pretty out of the loop on things but I had no idea (though probably should have suspected) that Oracle had a competing product. Is it successful? Who uses it?

Twirrim 9y ago
https://cloud.oracle.com/en_US/bare-metal https://cloud.oracle.com/en_US/bare-metal, launched last year. Full IaaS Compute platform with both bare metal and VM offerings, LBs, VPN, DBaaS (complete with full RAC and Exadata offerings), and so on. I'm not sure what I can / cannot say regarding customers we're picking up. Don't want to mess things up for the marketing team :) Some public material, of which more is bound to be forthcoming: https://www.oracle.com/uk/customers/yellowdog-1-iaas.html https://www.oracle.com/uk/customers/yellowdog-1-iaas.html
- dopamean 9y ago
  Thanks for the info!
- eloff 9y ago
  $5.40/hour to rent one of these bare-metal bad boys: OCPU: 36 Memory: 512GB Local Disk: 28.8TB NVMe SSD That easily mops the floor with AWS and Google on price/performance ratio for running high end database servers. I suppose that shouldn't come as a huge surprise that Oracle's cloud offering would be good for running databases.
  - phonon 9y ago
    x1.16xlarge is 64 threads (174.5 ECU), 1 TB RAM, 2 TB SSD, for $6.669 per Hour. x1.32xlarge is double in every respect. i3.16xlarge is 64 threads (200 ECU), 488 GB RAM, 15 TB SSD, $4.992 per hour. Seems competitive.
    - travem 9y ago
      It's competitive if you don't actually need the 28.8TB NVMe SSD. If you actually need that much storage capacity and speed you are looking at provisioning 2 i3.16xlarge's and hoping your application can be distributed across multiple instances.
      - phonon 9y ago
        Sure, and if you need 1 or 2 TB of RAM, Oracle won't be able to help, and that's a much harder parameter to work around... Anyway, my point was that it didn't, IMHO, "easily mop the floor with AWS on price/performance ratio".
    - eloff 9y ago
      On RAM, yes. On random IOPS and throughput to the 28.8TB NVMe storage - no comparison.
      - phonon 9y ago
        Do you have some numbers? According to here [1] an i3.16xlarge will get you "up to to 3.3 million random IOPS at a 4 KB block size and up to 16 GB/second of disk throughput. " What does Oracle claim? I see here they say 1 million IOPS.[2] [1] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/ec2-instance-type-update-t2-r4-f1-elastic-gpus-i3-c5/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/ec2-instance-type-update-t2... [2] http://www.biwasummit.org/biwa/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/844677-CloudCookbookv3.pdf http://www.biwasummit.org/biwa/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/84...
toyg 9y ago
Oracle is attacking the cloud space (and AWS specifically) pretty brutally. They have tons of products, from bare metal iaas to j2ee containers to almost any on-premise product they sell rebuilt as saas, in a bet to switch most of their traditional userbase to subscription-based offerings. That's why prices are good and talent is well looked-after. In terms of success rates, they vary from niche to niche. I'm in Europe and here they're struggling a bit, because 1) their reputation for arbitrary price fluctuations doesn't really entice people to move to *aas, 2) a lot of their customers are big companies operating in strict regulatory conditions, 3) they really pissed off a lot of people by basically dropping any on-premise development beyond the bare minimum.

I must be pretty out of the loop on things but I had no idea (though probably should have suspected) that Oracle had a competing product. Is it successful? Who uses it?

Twirrim 9y ago

https://cloud.oracle.com/en_US/bare-metal https://cloud.oracle.com/en_US/bare-metal, launched last year. Full IaaS Compute platform with both bare metal and VM offerings, LBs, VPN, DBaaS (complete with full RAC and Exadata offerings), and so on. I'm not sure what I can / cannot say regarding customers we're picking up. Don't want to mess things up for the marketing team :) Some public material, of which more is bound to be forthcoming: https://www.oracle.com/uk/customers/yellowdog-1-iaas.html https://www.oracle.com/uk/customers/yellowdog-1-iaas.html

dopamean 9y ago
Thanks for the info!
eloff 9y ago
$5.40/hour to rent one of these bare-metal bad boys: OCPU: 36 Memory: 512GB Local Disk: 28.8TB NVMe SSD That easily mops the floor with AWS and Google on price/performance ratio for running high end database servers. I suppose that shouldn't come as a huge surprise that Oracle's cloud offering would be good for running databases.
- phonon 9y ago
  x1.16xlarge is 64 threads (174.5 ECU), 1 TB RAM, 2 TB SSD, for $6.669 per Hour. x1.32xlarge is double in every respect. i3.16xlarge is 64 threads (200 ECU), 488 GB RAM, 15 TB SSD, $4.992 per hour. Seems competitive.
  - travem 9y ago
    It's competitive if you don't actually need the 28.8TB NVMe SSD. If you actually need that much storage capacity and speed you are looking at provisioning 2 i3.16xlarge's and hoping your application can be distributed across multiple instances.
    - phonon 9y ago
      Sure, and if you need 1 or 2 TB of RAM, Oracle won't be able to help, and that's a much harder parameter to work around... Anyway, my point was that it didn't, IMHO, "easily mop the floor with AWS on price/performance ratio".
  - eloff 9y ago
    On RAM, yes. On random IOPS and throughput to the 28.8TB NVMe storage - no comparison.
    - phonon 9y ago
      Do you have some numbers? According to here [1] an i3.16xlarge will get you "up to to 3.3 million random IOPS at a 4 KB block size and up to 16 GB/second of disk throughput. " What does Oracle claim? I see here they say 1 million IOPS.[2] [1] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/ec2-instance-type-update-t2-r4-f1-elastic-gpus-i3-c5/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/ec2-instance-type-update-t2... [2] http://www.biwasummit.org/biwa/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/844677-CloudCookbookv3.pdf http://www.biwasummit.org/biwa/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/84...

toyg 9y ago

Oracle is attacking the cloud space (and AWS specifically) pretty brutally. They have tons of products, from bare metal iaas to j2ee containers to almost any on-premise product they sell rebuilt as saas, in a bet to switch most of their traditional userbase to subscription-based offerings. That's why prices are good and talent is well looked-after. In terms of success rates, they vary from niche to niche. I'm in Europe and here they're struggling a bit, because 1) their reputation for arbitrary price fluctuations doesn't really entice people to move to *aas, 2) a lot of their customers are big companies operating in strict regulatory conditions, 3) they really pissed off a lot of people by basically dropping any on-premise development beyond the bare minimum.