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> I may not be totally tuned into Oracle's reputation, but this seems incredibly damning to Amazon. I can't speak to the rest of Oracle, my only experience is
by Twirrim 9y ago
> I may not be totally tuned into Oracle's reputation, but this seems incredibly damning to Amazon.
I can't speak to the rest of Oracle, my only experience is from here in the bare metal cloud org, but it's:
1) Better pay.
2) Better hours (you don't keep having to work ridiculous hours to keep afloat.) In over a year I've done barely a dozen late nights, and at least half of those were totally unavoidable. In every case management has strenuously forced me to recoup my time. One thing I really hated was watching staff just constantly burn out in various teams across AWS (I was lucky, my team in AWS was actually one of the good ones.)
3) An obsession with the operational burden (easier to operate == more resilient platform, happier staff and happier customers).
4) Middle management who actively push back, and a senior management tier who both listen, and juggle staff around as appropriate to ensure things get done on time. AWS is a constant feature mill, and it comes across in the marketing language etc. This is only fuelled because middle managers right across the org are either unwilling to say no, or have no authority to do so. From the differences I've seen with managers there, it really seems like the former. Some managers really do make a huge difference (and indeed, the only reason I entertained the possibility of joining Oracle was because I knew several good managers who'd moved across)
- dopamean 9y agoI must be pretty out of the loop on things but I had no idea (though probably should have suspected) that Oracle had a competing product. Is it successful? Who uses it?
- Twirrim 9y agohttps://cloud.oracle.com/en_US/bare-metal https://cloud.oracle.com/en_US/bare-metal, launched last year. Full IaaS Compute platform with both bare metal and VM offerings, LBs, VPN, DBaaS (complete with full RAC and Exadata offerings), and so on. I'm not sure what I can / cannot say regarding customers we're picking up. Don't want to mess things up for the marketing team :) Some public material, of which more is bound to be forthcoming: https://www.oracle.com/uk/customers/yellowdog-1-iaas.html https://www.oracle.com/uk/customers/yellowdog-1-iaas.html
- dopamean 9y agoThanks for the info!
- eloff 9y ago$5.40/hour to rent one of these bare-metal bad boys: OCPU: 36 Memory: 512GB Local Disk: 28.8TB NVMe SSD That easily mops the floor with AWS and Google on price/performance ratio for running high end database servers. I suppose that shouldn't come as a huge surprise that Oracle's cloud offering would be good for running databases.
- phonon 9y agox1.16xlarge is 64 threads (174.5 ECU), 1 TB RAM, 2 TB SSD, for $6.669 per Hour. x1.32xlarge is double in every respect. i3.16xlarge is 64 threads (200 ECU), 488 GB RAM, 15 TB SSD, $4.992 per hour. Seems competitive.
- travem 9y agoIt's competitive if you don't actually need the 28.8TB NVMe SSD. If you actually need that much storage capacity and speed you are looking at provisioning 2 i3.16xlarge's and hoping your application can be distributed across multiple instances.
- phonon 9y agoSure, and if you need 1 or 2 TB of RAM, Oracle won't be able to help, and that's a much harder parameter to work around... Anyway, my point was that it didn't, IMHO, "easily mop the floor with AWS on price/performance ratio".
- eloff 9y agoOn RAM, yes. On random IOPS and throughput to the 28.8TB NVMe storage - no comparison.
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- toyg 9y agoOracle is attacking the cloud space (and AWS specifically) pretty brutally. They have tons of products, from bare metal iaas to j2ee containers to almost any on-premise product they sell rebuilt as saas, in a bet to switch most of their traditional userbase to subscription-based offerings. That's why prices are good and talent is well looked-after. In terms of success rates, they vary from niche to niche. I'm in Europe and here they're struggling a bit, because 1) their reputation for arbitrary price fluctuations doesn't really entice people to move to *aas, 2) a lot of their customers are big companies operating in strict regulatory conditions, 3) they really pissed off a lot of people by basically dropping any on-premise development beyond the bare minimum.
- ExactActuation 9y agoBare Metal Cloud. Lol. Another vaporware, bloatware, piece of shit from Oracle. AWS will continue to be king.
- technofiend 9y ago>this is only fuelled because middle managers right across the org are either unwilling to say no, or have no authority to do so >watching staff just constantly burn out in various teams Those are typical examples of a toxic org that uses forced ranking / stack ranking as a weapon rather than any real measure of performance. I don't think that's unique to AWS. It's nice to hear Oracle is so much better even if it's anecdotal.