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16 Years with IPv6
- firloop 9y agoIn San Francisco of all places, neither my home nor my office have IPv6. I wonder at what point the FCC or a similar regulating entity will require IPv6 rollouts (do they even have the power to do that?). I have Webpass (now owned by Google Fiber) at home and Sonic.net at work.
- dylz 9y agoWebpass doesn't offer IPv6? I've had native from them for a long time in the past.
- firloop 9y agoGoogling shows that they have some deployments but at least as far as I can tell from my network settings (and http://ipv6-test.com http://ipv6-test.com) I do not have an IPv6 address. Perhaps they never got around to updating my apartment building.
- dylz 9y agoI think some buildings are actually outright cg-natted and the only IP you actually get is v6...
- posguy 9y agoA gigabit switch is a heck of a lot cheaper than a 48 port router or a basic Linux box with proper VLANs and tagging on the switch. These were also likely configured in the early days of Webpass, so they prolly won't touch it unless it breaks.
- IvyMike 9y agoMy ISP (Spectrum) only enables IPv6 to a subset of their "supported" cable modem list. In other words, if you don't have the right cable modem, you may get IPv4 but don't get IPv6. It's possible your provider may do the same.
- posguy 9y agoCharter includes the modem with their plans though, so why would you not just ask for an IPv6 approved modem? Its not as though they charge an equipment rental fee like Comcast or Cox...
- coding123 9y agoI keep wondering what will happen on AWS or Google when available public v4 IPs run out/low... Start charging $15 per address?
- dsr_ 9y agoYes. Or some other scheme similar to that, where IPv6 allocations are free but IPv4 costs real money.
- briffle 9y agoGoogle already charges you for reserved IP's that are not in use in their cloud.
- coding123 9y agoSame with AWS, but I'm referring to in-use cost, just curious if that's coming...
- olq 9y agoWell they have already ran out and the big old companies have their own reserved ipv4 ranges. They even buy other tech dinosaurs for their reserved ipv4 blocks in the order of $10 per adress. [1] [1] http://www.gtri.com/how-to-buy-or-sell-ipv4-addresses/ http://www.gtri.com/how-to-buy-or-sell-ipv4-addresses/
- ghaff 9y agoAmazon bought up to half of MIT's /8 addresses.
- jcrites 9y agoMIT recently sold part of their IPv4 address space to AWS (the block 18.145.0.0/16): http://www.networkworld.com/article/3191503/internet/mit-selling-8-million-coveted-ipv4-addresses-amazon-a-buyer.html http://www.networkworld.com/article/3191503/internet/mit-sel... https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-18-145-0-0-1.html https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-18-145-0-0-1.html According to the IPv4 Market Group, prices per address have trended around $8 - $12 (prices vary by block size): http://ipv4marketgroup.com/ipv4-pricing-in-a-post-arin-runout-world/ http://ipv4marketgroup.com/ipv4-pricing-in-a-post-arin-runou...
- lwhalen 9y agoIn Seattle and surrounding areas, Comcast is more or less the only game in town (with Centurylink a distant, distant second) if you're not in one of a dozen high-rise apartment buildings. For all their marketing around 'extensive IPv6 rollout', I've found their deployment to be hideously broken and their support staff deeply ignorant. Been here 3 years, moved once, and it's just terrible. My latest foray into trying to get delegation to work was this past weekend, and I had a Comcast supervisor (in Business class!) tell me that "static anything is not a priority for the vast majority of their customers. You can either have static v4 addresses or v6 connectivity, but not both" after several hours of troubleshooting and 'automatically closed/resolved tickets' with their level 2 support folks. It's one of the more brazen "we dare you to stop being our customer" moves I've certainly been privvy to. tl; dr - Comcast v6 works great on Business-class until you push a static v4 config, then it just stops responding to DHCPv6 and SLAAC requests. Ignorance and aggravation ensued from Comcast support, at all levels I was able to get ahold of. Being a monopoly is awesome.
- koenigdavidmj 9y agoYour other option is Frontier FIOS in some of the suburbs, where there is still no intention of rolling out v6.
- edoceo 9y agoIn Seattle there is also CondoInternet - a fiber company in many of the newer development. But, I've seen an entire building on a NAT private network. It's included in your HOA.
- posguy 9y agoFYI they are owned by Wave Broadband now, and Centurylink covers quite a bit of the city with fiber. Not that you'll know, cause their fiber prequal database is shut off in the afternoons/evenings/early morning cause screw you :( My comment above gives a bunch more detail if you wanna give it a look.
- belovedeagle 9y agoCondointernet got acquired by Wave (branded Wave G); then they fired most of the condointernet staff it seems. Wave recently got acquired themselves so we'll see how much worse it gets.
- avodonosov 9y agoDon't forget you can always use IPv6 as there are gates to 6th internet over 4th internet. After all the words Inter Net mean this technology can work over and between any network, be it Ethernet, Wi-Fi, Token Ring or whatever. And of course it can work over IP of another version.
- Retr0spectrum 9y agoWhat's the best way to set up and use such an ipv6 gateway? After a bit of fiddling, I managed to set something up with sshuttle, but it was a bit of a hack.
- avodonosov 9y agoGoogle fo IPv6 tunnel brokers -often free services. I don't know which of them is better, may depend on where you are located.
- kbaker 9y agohe.net provides a good one that we used for many years before getting real IPv6 space though our ISP. https://tunnelbroker.net/ https://tunnelbroker.net/
- lloeki 9y agoSome feedback: we have been successfully using HE for years at our office, because of a lousy ISP that keeps on piling up ridiculous excuses. Latest one was that we couldn't get IPv6 because we had a "special" IPv4 block. Also used SixXS but the aiccu+AYIYA/6in4 requirement isn't ideal when you have some network gear that supports 6to4 tunnelling natively.
- corobo 9y agoAs this is Hacker News - Anyone seen any good tutorials on how to set this up without a 3rd party broker? Lets say I have an IPv6 on/availableTo a server - how do I go about handing out those IPs to my local clients and all the routing/setup inbetween
- toss1941 9y agoI think of IPv6 like driving a stick shift car that you skip a gear with. If you're lucky, the engine won't stall but even if it doesn't, you'll be accelerating very slowly until the RPMs catch back up to where they should be. In IPv6's case they skipped 3 gears because they knew the car couldn't possibly stall, but here we are, barely accelerating after all this time.
- bluejekyll 9y agoHm, this analogy is awkward. Definitely agree that it's taken a lot longer to become standard than I would like. I was discussing this with a coworker today, and we were reflecting on a similar technical rollout that really did take of. The various ascii encodings -> UTF8. This was a big shift at the time and took a lot of time to fix. In fact I know of one large DB that, after a huge amount of outreach with customers, was only finally decommed and replaced with a UTF8 last year. We decided the big difference was that UTF8 solved a huge problem that effected everyone. Was backward compatible with all basic ascii, and was an easy upgrade in many cases (only a problem if you bastardized stored character sets faking out the system and storing them in a different charset). IPv6 is nicely backward compatible with IPv4, but in general it is not solving a problem most people have (yet). Most sites work fine with IPv4; IPv6 for many is just work with no significant benefit in general. That being said, I really want IPv6 to become the only option for a lot of reasons; but there is no stron forcing function.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago> but in general it is not solving a problem most people have (yet). I don't think that that's actually true. People have massive problems due to NAT and overlapping address ranges and stuff ... but it's just commonly accepted as the way IP works, people don't realize that they could just deploy IPv6 and do away with all those problems.
- bluejekyll 9y agoSome people sure. But it's nowhere near the number of people that UTF8 solved for. It would definitely make people's network connectivity simpler and less error prone, but I just don't see it as a huge pressing need. If NATs didn't exist at all, then this would have been such a huge issue that it would have been needed. For most though, NAT is generally good enough.
- HankB99 9y agoI started to read the article but found the font too distracting. tl;dr I guess. I see that my devices get IPV6 and IPV4 addresses. Beyond that I don't know "if it works." From outside my firewall (pfSense) I wouldn't know how to access resources within (which are walled off in the first place.)
- asdfaoeu 9y ago> From outside my firewall (pfSense) I wouldn't know how to access resources within (which are walled off in the first place.) By accessing the IP address they are assigned?
- flyinghamster 9y agoSome useful IPv6 tests: http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/ http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/ (goes far beyond IPv6 testing) http://test-ipv6.com/ http://test-ipv6.com/ If you want to see if things on your network are reachable from outside, you'll need something else with IPv6 connectivity. In my own case, a T-Mobile handset with LTE works nicely; if I open up a port to an IPv6 host on my LAN, I can reach it from the phone. My home IPv6 connection is via a /60 provided by Comcast, but I'm currently only using a single /64 out of that pool.
- unusximmortalis 9y ago16 years! And MS Azure is not there yet... ntz ntz ntz
- shmerl 9y agoAnd Verizon still doesn't support it...
- ec109685 9y agoIPv6 is not a requirement in all situations. At most enterprises need IPv6 at their edge to avoid traffic flowing through carrier grade nats. Internally private IPv4, plus nats for egress are generally fine for most use cases.
- lmm 9y agoInternal IPv6 is much cleaner though, and less prone to failures (e.g. anyone VPNing in from a coffee shop that uses the same private IPv4 range will have a bad time). If you've already gone to the effort of getting IPv6 to the edge, surely at that point it's worth pushing it all the way through.
- bkor 9y agoNot just that, also in the case when a big company acquires/merges with another big company. The suggestion to have loads of servers on a private range such as e.g. 10.x.x.x is nice as it should be unique.. until this assumption breaks due to combining two networks together. It'll result in conflicts, discovery that lots of places had the IP address instead of a hostname, etc. It seems much saner to use IPv6.
- j_s 9y agoVPN from the same subnet simply doesn't work at all on Macs built-in VPN client, last time I looked into it. Windows built-in VPN client hasn't had a problem dealing with this for a long time.
- ch0wn 9y agoI'm with a regional ISP in the UK (aquiss.net) and they assign you a native /56 if you ask nicely. What surprised me was how complicated it still is to get this set up compared to the DHCP and NAT setup we're all familiar with. It took me quite a while to figure out how to distribute addresses in my network and even get my pppd configured to request the prefix.
- thinkMOAR 9y agoAre these truly all the findings of the author after 16 years of running IPv6? I find the list/number of points very little and most are common knowledge or been in countless of how to roll out ipv6 guides. The mentioning that if end users have problems accessing your site, you should roll out ipv6 to your internal network, reads a 'bit' strange.
- andruby 9y agoIf we continue on the current trend as reported by Google [0] we should reach 20% IPv6 adoption by the end of this year. [0] https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
- T3RMINATED 9y agoI think ipv4 is the future. No one wants to remember long ipv6 addresses
- awelkie 9y agoIt seems to me that there are disadvantages to widespread IPv6 adoption for some big companies. For example, storage providers like Dropbox or Google Drive would take a hit if I were able to send files via a direct connection to a friend's computer, which is possible with IPv6. Right now, the best way to send large files is to upload them somewhere and then send a link (dynamic DNS is also possible, but certainly not as easy to set up as simply being granted a globally routable IP address). Another example is for ISPs or anyone who sells static IP addresses (e.g. AWS); IPv6 means severely decreasing the scarsity of a resource that they own and profit from, which I'm sure they wouldn't like. To generalize, I think IPv6 represents more freedom for end-users in the form of better p2p services, but I think it also represents a loss in profit for some large companies. These companies play a roll in the IPv6 rollout, so maybe it's not surprising that the rollout has been slower than expected.
- bfred_it 9y agoThere are plenty of methods for direct transfer already, I don't think a different IP (with its likely non-trivial setup) would make much of a difference for Dropbox. Keep in mind that would you describe would require both computers to be on at the same time, and that often doesn't happen either. Dropbox would be here to stay even in an IPv6 world.
- awelkie 9y agoOf course it would. I'm saying easy p2p transfer may reduce the usage of Dropbox, not obsolete it.
- euyyn 9y agoGoogle's been a big pusher of IPv6 for years.
- fivestar 9y agoI was assured that by now my socks would be addressable.
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