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One thing that is worth mentioning: Denmark is one of the very few countries (two if I'm not mistaken) that takes cycling seriously. They also have good public

by hannob 9y ago

One thing that is worth mentioning: Denmark is one of the very few countries (two if I'm not mistaken) that takes cycling seriously. They also have good public transport compared to many other countries. If your goal is to reduce car traffic overall then not subsidizing EV is more understandable.

lucb1e 9y ago
I've lived in Finland for a few months and indeed, the cycling infrastructure wasn't what I'm used to as Dutchman. You're either on the sidewalk or in the middle of traffic, both of which are undesirable. Most of the year it doesn't freeze so a bike is perfectly usable. Not as if people work out of the city anyway, a train goes like twice a day. And within the city where I was, it's perfectly doable from one end to the other twice a day.
- zurn 9y ago
  Bikes work fine in icy weather if you put on studded tires. I like the Nokian Hakkapeliitta W106, coincidentally (?) made in Finland.
dmix 9y ago
> Denmark is one of the very few countries (two if I'm not mistaken) that takes cycling seriously Considering the cars have a 180% import tax, a big percentage of the population couldn't afford a car even if they wanted to. So I'd hope they take it seriously. > They also have good public transport compared to many other countries. Given that this portion wouldn't have a way to get around without it, this seems like an absolute necessity which isn't necessarily the case in other cities. Poor people need to get to work somehow and reach shopping centers and family/friends outside of walking/biking distance. That said I'm fully in support buses/trains and biking. I bike everywhere and live in a city but still own a cheap car, which I still get a great amount of value out of and find indispensable. It is also important for my partners work who occasionally needs to drive to surrounding areas.
- FullyFunctional 9y ago
  I'm a dane and I never owned a car while I lived in Denmark. HOWEVER, there is a tendency to forget that not everyone lives in high density cities (where public transport is decent). In more suburban area, public transport is hopeless. You _have_ to have a car. Thus people drive, but they drive old cars. The 180% tax doesn't hurt people equally.

by hannob 9y ago

lucb1e 9y ago

I've lived in Finland for a few months and indeed, the cycling infrastructure wasn't what I'm used to as Dutchman. You're either on the sidewalk or in the middle of traffic, both of which are undesirable. Most of the year it doesn't freeze so a bike is perfectly usable. Not as if people work out of the city anyway, a train goes like twice a day. And within the city where I was, it's perfectly doable from one end to the other twice a day.

zurn 9y ago
Bikes work fine in icy weather if you put on studded tires. I like the Nokian Hakkapeliitta W106, coincidentally (?) made in Finland.

dmix 9y ago

> Denmark is one of the very few countries (two if I'm not mistaken) that takes cycling seriously Considering the cars have a 180% import tax, a big percentage of the population couldn't afford a car even if they wanted to. So I'd hope they take it seriously. > They also have good public transport compared to many other countries. Given that this portion wouldn't have a way to get around without it, this seems like an absolute necessity which isn't necessarily the case in other cities. Poor people need to get to work somehow and reach shopping centers and family/friends outside of walking/biking distance. That said I'm fully in support buses/trains and biking. I bike everywhere and live in a city but still own a cheap car, which I still get a great amount of value out of and find indispensable. It is also important for my partners work who occasionally needs to drive to surrounding areas.

FullyFunctional 9y ago
I'm a dane and I never owned a car while I lived in Denmark. HOWEVER, there is a tendency to forget that not everyone lives in high density cities (where public transport is decent). In more suburban area, public transport is hopeless. You _have_ to have a car. Thus people drive, but they drive old cars. The 180% tax doesn't hurt people equally.