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Judging from IRC and perlmonks.org there are tons of newbies trying to do real work. I gather the growth of CPAN and core contributors indicate growing growth.

Judging from IRC and perlmonks.org there are tons of newbies trying to do real work. I gather the growth of CPAN and core contributors indicate growing growth. I am genuinely curious where you got your ideas about on perl usage? Regardless of growth or decline in any of Perl, Python, and Ruby, my opinion is they're so equivalent it's barely worth discussing them separately. Pick the one that has the libraries and frameworks you need. It so happens that http://search.cpan.org http://search.cpan.org is the easiest way to check up on libraries for any of the languages. Perl6, if they ever pull off a fast and stable release, is another matter. It's likely to be a game changer. I actually quite dislike this perl5i thing and the declarex syntax changing modules in general because they needlessly fragment the language.

melling 16y ago
I'm not sure what you mean by equivalent but would all 3 exist if they didn't have significant differences? Would they have gone off in search of the Holy Grail with Perl 6 if Perl didn't have a few nasty issues that needed to be cleaned up. I'm one of those guys who has used Perl for over 10 years. It was wilting and I'm glad to see some new life being breathed back into it.
- expeditious 16y ago
  > I'm not sure what you mean by equivalent ... It means that for basic stuff they are pretty much the same. Variables & data structures (scalars, arrays, mappings), creating and calling functions, creating and instantiating classes, looping, if/then/else, talking to the network, talking to the OS, talking to the db, etc. This basic stuff is in all these languages; the only real differences are in the syntax (and that's not even very different). For many programming tasks, you're just doing these basics over and over again. Any language will work, so you may as well pick one that's got it where it counts -- modules, since that will make the most difference in how much extra code you have to write. And Perl wins that competition with the CPAN. > Would they have gone off in search of the Holy Grail with Perl 6 ... Thing is, it's not a Holy Grail. It's just the next revision of Perl. Take a look at some example Perl 6 code online; they've cleaned things up, fixed some boo-boos, and upon seeing it I expect you'll matter-of-factly say, "oh, yeah, still looks like Perl :)".
  - melling 16y ago
    Perl6 was started in the year 2000. It's a lot more than a rev from 5.08 to 5.12, for example. Can you elaborate on some of the more details? For example, what concepts from Ruby and Python are they borrowing in Perl6 that don't exist in Perl5? Wikipedia didn't elaborate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl6#Goals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl6#Goals Sure, at some high-level they're all the same, but the devil is in the details. Just saying they're all the same is specious.
    - rubashov 16y ago
      perl6 is a huge leap beyond the current crop of interpreted languages. Go through this content to get an idea: http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-5-to-6/ http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-5-to-6/
    - expeditious 16y ago
      Actually melling, thanks for calling me on that. Thinking more about it, I think Perl 6 actually has 2 sides: one is the "like Perl 5 but with a number of things improved/cleaned-up", and the other side (which I neglected to think about in my post above) is indeed some major and sophisticated changes (many of which I know little about since I most often use Perl in a simplistic way -- do this, open that file, process these log files, etc.). If you have some specific questions, I suggest asking them at http://perl6.org/community/irc http://perl6.org/community/irc , which I've found to be very friendly and helpful.

melling 16y ago

I'm not sure what you mean by equivalent but would all 3 exist if they didn't have significant differences? Would they have gone off in search of the Holy Grail with Perl 6 if Perl didn't have a few nasty issues that needed to be cleaned up. I'm one of those guys who has used Perl for over 10 years. It was wilting and I'm glad to see some new life being breathed back into it.

expeditious 16y ago
> I'm not sure what you mean by equivalent ... It means that for basic stuff they are pretty much the same. Variables & data structures (scalars, arrays, mappings), creating and calling functions, creating and instantiating classes, looping, if/then/else, talking to the network, talking to the OS, talking to the db, etc. This basic stuff is in all these languages; the only real differences are in the syntax (and that's not even very different). For many programming tasks, you're just doing these basics over and over again. Any language will work, so you may as well pick one that's got it where it counts -- modules, since that will make the most difference in how much extra code you have to write. And Perl wins that competition with the CPAN. > Would they have gone off in search of the Holy Grail with Perl 6 ... Thing is, it's not a Holy Grail. It's just the next revision of Perl. Take a look at some example Perl 6 code online; they've cleaned things up, fixed some boo-boos, and upon seeing it I expect you'll matter-of-factly say, "oh, yeah, still looks like Perl :)".
- melling 16y ago
  Perl6 was started in the year 2000. It's a lot more than a rev from 5.08 to 5.12, for example. Can you elaborate on some of the more details? For example, what concepts from Ruby and Python are they borrowing in Perl6 that don't exist in Perl5? Wikipedia didn't elaborate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl6#Goals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl6#Goals Sure, at some high-level they're all the same, but the devil is in the details. Just saying they're all the same is specious.
  - rubashov 16y ago
    perl6 is a huge leap beyond the current crop of interpreted languages. Go through this content to get an idea: http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-5-to-6/ http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-5-to-6/
  - expeditious 16y ago
    Actually melling, thanks for calling me on that. Thinking more about it, I think Perl 6 actually has 2 sides: one is the "like Perl 5 but with a number of things improved/cleaned-up", and the other side (which I neglected to think about in my post above) is indeed some major and sophisticated changes (many of which I know little about since I most often use Perl in a simplistic way -- do this, open that file, process these log files, etc.). If you have some specific questions, I suggest asking them at http://perl6.org/community/irc http://perl6.org/community/irc , which I've found to be very friendly and helpful.