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I am much taller than average, way above the 99th percentile. On public transportation and on planes, as a matter of fact, I occupy more space than most people.

by zakk 9y ago

I am much taller than average, way above the 99th percentile. On public transportation and on planes, as a matter of fact, I occupy more space than most people. Sometimes seats are designed so that I cannot help but invade someone else's space. Usually it takes just a second a tiny bit of common sense to ask someone to move a bit. Most often just eye contact is enough. On the other hand I saw my fair share of jackasses on public transportation (feet over a seat, bringing in bikes during peak hours when it is explicitly forbidden, screaming on phone, drinking beer and then throwing the can on the floor, occupying more than one seat) and -- surprise surprise -- males and females were equally represented among jackasses. This feminist trend of making up problems and sticking a "male" label on it really makes me sick!

foota 9y ago
I'm not quite that tall, but I think manspreading is generally perceived as being an issue when people sit in seats that are aligned with the major axis of the vehicle, as opposed to those are are in rows.
mobiplayer 9y ago
And your point is? That women sit spreading their legs as much as men? That the problem doesn't exist? You are surely kidding? And in 30 years using public transportation in 2 different countries I call bs on the claim that assholes are equally represented among men and women. It might be a matter of education (women be quiet, men be loud and mainly), but 90% of the times there's issues these are caused by men. Usually in groups.
- zakk 9y ago
  The point is that this feminist trend of sticking a "man" label over common problems makes me sick. It's unnecessarily confrontational, just like your comment. And btw yes, the problem, as it is described by the sexist slur "manspreading", exists just in a feminist's mind. In my experience men and women are equally represented among assholes. I'm glad you shared your different personal experience, though.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    Wait, how'd you figure out that the people complaining about manspreading are feminists? Do you often find yourself on the receiving end of sexist slurs?
    - zakk 9y ago
      No, I have never found myself on the receiving end of sexist slurs, say, in the last couple of years. I think it's quite obvious that the term term "manspreading" has been coined in a feminist environment and that this inflammatory rethoric is typical of modern feminism. Do you need sources?
      - greglindahl 9y ago
        So a single sexist slur is enough to make you sick? Wow.
        zakk 9y ago
        Yes, the repeated, systematic usage of a sexist slur makes me sick.
  - mobiplayer 9y ago
    Ah, you were trolling! Sorry, I thought at first you were serious mate. For the sake of public documentation, I'll argue: It is confrontational because invading my personal space by using more than what's assigned to you is unnecessary and rude. Let me repeat something: I am a man and I also suffer from idiots spreading their legs like they've got balls the size of Jupiter. There's no physical nor biological reason for that, like not at all. Women don't do it. I'm sure you can show me one example of a woman doing it, I can show you 2-3 men per bus trip, easily. It's a matter of education, how we have been educated. Men are educated to become alpha, to use their body to an advantage. Women are educated to be quiet and submissive. It's not "feminine" to sit spreading your legs. It's very masculine to spread legs and arms, to show a bigger physical presence. If you can't see why that's wrong then there's little hope for you. Even worse, if you think "feminist" means "against men" then I'm afraid you had a terrible upbringing.
genofon 9y ago
Yours is a totally different issue, here we are talking about people occupying much more than the space they need and invading other people personal space. I am bother by this behavior and I feel it should something people learn when they are kids, not something I should ask for.
- zakk 9y ago
  People may invade your personal space for many reasons: because they are taller than average, because they may be commuting for a long time and need to move their legs a bit, because they simply forgot or think about something else, because they come from different cultures with a different culture of what is personal space (try using public transportation in Beijing and then in Tokyo), or because they are assholes. I think that we can just try to be humans and ask, it's not really a big deal. As I said even eye contact is enough most often, is it so difficult. There's no need to start a war, leave along a pointless, sexist war like the proponents of the term "manspreading" are doing.
  - genofon 9y ago
    I guess I disagree on your arbitrary definition of "human", but this is a bit off topic. This campaign is teaching people how they should ask, which is much more efficient and effective that asking one person at the time (moreover if you are the only one ask chanses are you will be seen as an unreasonable person on the train). For the sexiest part I think it's laughable,as they are not suggesting it's a problem with all men, but that is prominent in men, which for my experience it's true. Btw also their claim as "manspreading" being sexiest is laughable in my opinion, but I agree that it should be stopped (and I am a male).
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by zakk 9y ago

foota 9y ago

I'm not quite that tall, but I think manspreading is generally perceived as being an issue when people sit in seats that are aligned with the major axis of the vehicle, as opposed to those are are in rows.

mobiplayer 9y ago

And your point is? That women sit spreading their legs as much as men? That the problem doesn't exist? You are surely kidding? And in 30 years using public transportation in 2 different countries I call bs on the claim that assholes are equally represented among men and women. It might be a matter of education (women be quiet, men be loud and mainly), but 90% of the times there's issues these are caused by men. Usually in groups.

zakk 9y ago
The point is that this feminist trend of sticking a "man" label over common problems makes me sick. It's unnecessarily confrontational, just like your comment. And btw yes, the problem, as it is described by the sexist slur "manspreading", exists just in a feminist's mind. In my experience men and women are equally represented among assholes. I'm glad you shared your different personal experience, though.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Wait, how'd you figure out that the people complaining about manspreading are feminists? Do you often find yourself on the receiving end of sexist slurs?
  - zakk 9y ago
    No, I have never found myself on the receiving end of sexist slurs, say, in the last couple of years. I think it's quite obvious that the term term "manspreading" has been coined in a feminist environment and that this inflammatory rethoric is typical of modern feminism. Do you need sources?
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      So a single sexist slur is enough to make you sick? Wow.
      - zakk 9y ago
        Yes, the repeated, systematic usage of a sexist slur makes me sick.
- mobiplayer 9y ago
  Ah, you were trolling! Sorry, I thought at first you were serious mate. For the sake of public documentation, I'll argue: It is confrontational because invading my personal space by using more than what's assigned to you is unnecessary and rude. Let me repeat something: I am a man and I also suffer from idiots spreading their legs like they've got balls the size of Jupiter. There's no physical nor biological reason for that, like not at all. Women don't do it. I'm sure you can show me one example of a woman doing it, I can show you 2-3 men per bus trip, easily. It's a matter of education, how we have been educated. Men are educated to become alpha, to use their body to an advantage. Women are educated to be quiet and submissive. It's not "feminine" to sit spreading your legs. It's very masculine to spread legs and arms, to show a bigger physical presence. If you can't see why that's wrong then there's little hope for you. Even worse, if you think "feminist" means "against men" then I'm afraid you had a terrible upbringing.

genofon 9y ago

Yours is a totally different issue, here we are talking about people occupying much more than the space they need and invading other people personal space. I am bother by this behavior and I feel it should something people learn when they are kids, not something I should ask for.

zakk 9y ago
People may invade your personal space for many reasons: because they are taller than average, because they may be commuting for a long time and need to move their legs a bit, because they simply forgot or think about something else, because they come from different cultures with a different culture of what is personal space (try using public transportation in Beijing and then in Tokyo), or because they are assholes. I think that we can just try to be humans and ask, it's not really a big deal. As I said even eye contact is enough most often, is it so difficult. There's no need to start a war, leave along a pointless, sexist war like the proponents of the term "manspreading" are doing.
- genofon 9y ago
  I guess I disagree on your arbitrary definition of "human", but this is a bit off topic. This campaign is teaching people how they should ask, which is much more efficient and effective that asking one person at the time (moreover if you are the only one ask chanses are you will be seen as an unreasonable person on the train). For the sexiest part I think it's laughable,as they are not suggesting it's a problem with all men, but that is prominent in men, which for my experience it's true. Btw also their claim as "manspreading" being sexiest is laughable in my opinion, but I agree that it should be stopped (and I am a male).
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