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There are so many things that are stupid about this, here is some examples: 1. IMHO this is directly sexist towards men. There are numerous socially awkward th

There are so many things that are stupid about this, here is some examples: 1. IMHO this is directly sexist towards men. There are numerous socially awkward things you may do at a public transport. Why only crack down on one of them? 2. Even if manspreading would be an issue, which it is my belief that it is absolutely not, it would affect men more than women since men are generally speaking physically larger than women. Have anyone heard a man complain? EDIT: What I meant by this is that if this really was a problem, men would suffer more extensively from it. 3. This will most likely create the opposite effect and make more people spread their legs just because it is sexist in the first place. EDIT 2: Those who simply state that "this is an issue". Have you ever actually asked the person in question if they could take up less room? This "issue" needs a sign just as much as "women who places their handbags on other seats" or "dont stare at people intensively" or "dont dig out your nose in front of everyone" or "dont talk very loudly in the cellphone" or "dont play a music instrument". Also, since this is a it and startup related forum, where the fuck is the actual evidence that this is an issue? If you would make a sign of every single bad behavior on a public transport, there would be no room for anything else. Just talk to people and if you are too afraid to, that itself is a way larger issue for you than people taking up too much space. I know at least that if this would come in my hometown, I would manspread in every fucking ride.

anodin4 9y ago
Madrid mayor is a woman from a Marxist party. This is just virtue signalling. You just have to see how this was asked for by a feminist group "Women in struggle"
CarolineW 9y ago
> Even if manspreading would be an issue, which it is my belief that it is absolutely not, ... This leads me to believe that you haven't actually see it in action, and I wonder how much you travel on public transport. Absolutely it is a problem - I can't tell you how often my physical space has been unnecessarily "spread into" by this sort of thing. > ... it would affect men more than women since men are generally speaking physically larger than women. My observation is that men simply don't "manspread" into another man's space. It's very much a dominance thing. It's ugly, it's obnoxious, and it's borderline threatening. I have no faith that this initiative will have any effect, but it most definitely is an issue.
- staticelf 9y ago
  I have seen it in action and said "excuse me" when I sat down. He made room for me. Would you believe that?
  - CarolineW 9y ago
    I have seen people sit next to a manspreader, said "Excuse me," and been completely ignored, thereby being forced either to push them physically, or shrink away from them. Would you believe that? Not everyone is happy with asking someone who is encroaching on their space to move. You may feel this isn't a problem. My observations tell me it is. Would you believe that?
    - staticelf 9y ago
      Yes I would believe that. But I would not believe it is the case that is a societal problem that needs a sexist sign.
albertgoeswoof 9y ago
#1 - they probably do crack down on other behaviours, so I don't think the overall policies would be considered sexist #2 - it does annoy men, none of the signs indicate that only women are complaining (although the article does give that impression) #3 - sometimes making people consciously aware that their behaviour is inappropriate does work
haikuginger 9y ago
1. Manspreading isn't "socially awkward" except in the very best case; more frequently, it makes seats that should be available unusable. 2. a. It is an issue. I live in Boston, which has a pretty good public transit system, and I'll usually see one or two manspreaders per train car I ride. b. You're conflating "taking up more space as a result of body size" with "maximizing the amount of space consumed". No one is complaining about the Andre the Giant-sized guy for whom it's impossible to keep it to one seat. I'm a relatively broadly-built/tall man, and I don't have any trouble keeping myself in one seat while riding the train, which makes me very skeptical of anyone else who claims that stretching out is necessary. 3. Well, if that's the case, then at least we'll know who the assholes are.
apricot13 9y ago
1. true, women doing makeup getting covered in dust and eyeshadow is not fun. 2. it is an issue. Plus for some reason men don't tend to do it as often when they sit next to each other or if they do generally one turns and spreads their legs into the aisle making it difficult for the people standing there or hard for people to get off the train.
jvzr 9y ago
2. I'm a man and my space has been invaded multiple times by manspreaders in the subway in my youth. I absolutely despise this behavior and there is no excuse to continue.

anodin4 9y ago

Madrid mayor is a woman from a Marxist party. This is just virtue signalling. You just have to see how this was asked for by a feminist group "Women in struggle"

CarolineW 9y ago

> Even if manspreading would be an issue, which it is my belief that it is absolutely not, ... This leads me to believe that you haven't actually see it in action, and I wonder how much you travel on public transport. Absolutely it is a problem - I can't tell you how often my physical space has been unnecessarily "spread into" by this sort of thing. > ... it would affect men more than women since men are generally speaking physically larger than women. My observation is that men simply don't "manspread" into another man's space. It's very much a dominance thing. It's ugly, it's obnoxious, and it's borderline threatening. I have no faith that this initiative will have any effect, but it most definitely is an issue.

staticelf 9y ago
I have seen it in action and said "excuse me" when I sat down. He made room for me. Would you believe that?
- CarolineW 9y ago
  I have seen people sit next to a manspreader, said "Excuse me," and been completely ignored, thereby being forced either to push them physically, or shrink away from them. Would you believe that? Not everyone is happy with asking someone who is encroaching on their space to move. You may feel this isn't a problem. My observations tell me it is. Would you believe that?
  - staticelf 9y ago
    Yes I would believe that. But I would not believe it is the case that is a societal problem that needs a sexist sign.

albertgoeswoof 9y ago

#1 - they probably do crack down on other behaviours, so I don't think the overall policies would be considered sexist #2 - it does annoy men, none of the signs indicate that only women are complaining (although the article does give that impression) #3 - sometimes making people consciously aware that their behaviour is inappropriate does work

haikuginger 9y ago

1. Manspreading isn't "socially awkward" except in the very best case; more frequently, it makes seats that should be available unusable. 2. a. It is an issue. I live in Boston, which has a pretty good public transit system, and I'll usually see one or two manspreaders per train car I ride. b. You're conflating "taking up more space as a result of body size" with "maximizing the amount of space consumed". No one is complaining about the Andre the Giant-sized guy for whom it's impossible to keep it to one seat. I'm a relatively broadly-built/tall man, and I don't have any trouble keeping myself in one seat while riding the train, which makes me very skeptical of anyone else who claims that stretching out is necessary. 3. Well, if that's the case, then at least we'll know who the assholes are.

apricot13 9y ago

1. true, women doing makeup getting covered in dust and eyeshadow is not fun. 2. it is an issue. Plus for some reason men don't tend to do it as often when they sit next to each other or if they do generally one turns and spreads their legs into the aisle making it difficult for the people standing there or hard for people to get off the train.

jvzr 9y ago

2. I'm a man and my space has been invaded multiple times by manspreaders in the subway in my youth. I absolutely despise this behavior and there is no excuse to continue.