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That's why they are doing the Model 3.

by tovkal 9y ago

baldfat 9y ago
Model 3 is $35,000 before incentives. https://www.tesla.com/model3 https://www.tesla.com/model3
- Trafz 9y ago
  Right. Now add the 180% taxation: $98,000. Not THAT far off the 110k you're replying to.
  - NuDinNou 9y ago
    Where is that 180% taxation on EVs? In Denmark?
    - Spare_account 9y ago
      Yes, as per the article
    - mrweasel 9y ago
      On all cars, not just electric cars. That's sort of the point of the whole thing. Electric cars were taxed less than diesel or petrol powered cars, the law changed and electric vehicles started to be taxed as any other car and sales dropped like rock.
      - battlebot 9y ago
        That's insane. I know that taxes are used to create disincentives, but that's why Americans think Europeans are insane--you let them rule you like that? Insane. Sorry.
  - LeifCarrotson 9y ago
    Oh wow. So, to get the figure after tax, you're multiplying by 2.8, not by 1.8? That's even worse than I imagined. I suppose that when we talk about a 6% registration tax in my state, that's unambiguously multiplying the end cost by 1.06, or 106% - but I'd assumed that they were inflating the figure by using the multiplier directly. That's astonishing! Still, doesn't this also apply to the cheaper cars? You're getting a Pugeot 208 for not $20k but $56k. While the difference between sticker price and post-tax price is smaller in proportion with the cost of the cars - $63k vs $36k - that's still $56k... for a Pugeot.
  - mason240 9y ago
    That's not Telsa's fault at all though.
    - TomMarius 9y ago
      Does it matter whose fault it is (for purposes of this discussion)? It's the reality.
ClassyJacket 9y ago
The Model 3 is nowhere close to an affordable car for your average car buyer e.g. Corolla owners. It's likely to be about 62,000$ here in Australia before any options or upgrades, so that's with no autopilot and the smallest battery. Still a luxury car, in fact, with some options expensive enough to trigger the Luxury Car Tax, which kicks in at $75,525. When you can get a brand new Suzuki Swift for 15,000 you really have to ask yourself how much you care about electric.
- Shivetya 9y ago
  plus the model 3, like all current EVs, is still highly limited it. It makes a great commuter car but any trip requiring a recharge will quickly show you the limitations of such. Have more than one recharge and you best have the time. Figure four hours at best on road and one off; superchargers require close to an hour to full charge and add in time to and from it based on where you are going. When I mentioned "At best" EVs suffer disproportionately from the effects of cold weather, the colder the worse it gets and elevation changes aren't your friend either. I am really curious what the average pricing will be on IIIs. I do remember Tesla talking about how you could get into a S for a little over 60 yet it always seemed people just talk about the 90k and up versions.
  - moron4hire 9y ago
    The Supercharge network also won't be free to use with the Model 3.
  - NuDinNou 9y ago
    It has 215 miles(346 km) range. For a long distance trip I would plan a 30 min break after every ~ 300 km of driving.
    - TomMarius 9y ago
      Why? That's just a hour and a half to two hours of highway driving.

That's why they are doing the Model 3.

by tovkal 9y ago

That's why they are doing the Model 3.

baldfat 9y ago

Model 3 is $35,000 before incentives. https://www.tesla.com/model3 https://www.tesla.com/model3

Trafz 9y ago
Right. Now add the 180% taxation: $98,000. Not THAT far off the 110k you're replying to.
- NuDinNou 9y ago
  Where is that 180% taxation on EVs? In Denmark?
  - Spare_account 9y ago
    Yes, as per the article
  - mrweasel 9y ago
    On all cars, not just electric cars. That's sort of the point of the whole thing. Electric cars were taxed less than diesel or petrol powered cars, the law changed and electric vehicles started to be taxed as any other car and sales dropped like rock.
    - battlebot 9y ago
      That's insane. I know that taxes are used to create disincentives, but that's why Americans think Europeans are insane--you let them rule you like that? Insane. Sorry.
- LeifCarrotson 9y ago
  Oh wow. So, to get the figure after tax, you're multiplying by 2.8, not by 1.8? That's even worse than I imagined. I suppose that when we talk about a 6% registration tax in my state, that's unambiguously multiplying the end cost by 1.06, or 106% - but I'd assumed that they were inflating the figure by using the multiplier directly. That's astonishing! Still, doesn't this also apply to the cheaper cars? You're getting a Pugeot 208 for not $20k but $56k. While the difference between sticker price and post-tax price is smaller in proportion with the cost of the cars - $63k vs $36k - that's still $56k... for a Pugeot.
- mason240 9y ago
  That's not Telsa's fault at all though.
  - TomMarius 9y ago
    Does it matter whose fault it is (for purposes of this discussion)? It's the reality.

ClassyJacket 9y ago

The Model 3 is nowhere close to an affordable car for your average car buyer e.g. Corolla owners. It's likely to be about 62,000$ here in Australia before any options or upgrades, so that's with no autopilot and the smallest battery. Still a luxury car, in fact, with some options expensive enough to trigger the Luxury Car Tax, which kicks in at $75,525. When you can get a brand new Suzuki Swift for 15,000 you really have to ask yourself how much you care about electric.

Shivetya 9y ago
plus the model 3, like all current EVs, is still highly limited it. It makes a great commuter car but any trip requiring a recharge will quickly show you the limitations of such. Have more than one recharge and you best have the time. Figure four hours at best on road and one off; superchargers require close to an hour to full charge and add in time to and from it based on where you are going. When I mentioned "At best" EVs suffer disproportionately from the effects of cold weather, the colder the worse it gets and elevation changes aren't your friend either. I am really curious what the average pricing will be on IIIs. I do remember Tesla talking about how you could get into a S for a little over 60 yet it always seemed people just talk about the 90k and up versions.
- moron4hire 9y ago
  The Supercharge network also won't be free to use with the Model 3.
- NuDinNou 9y ago
  It has 215 miles(346 km) range. For a long distance trip I would plan a 30 min break after every ~ 300 km of driving.
  - TomMarius 9y ago
    Why? That's just a hour and a half to two hours of highway driving.