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I dunno. Reading this article left a bad taste in my mouth. It wasn't the Chinese that turned a large portion of industrial America into a rusty meth-infused wa

I dunno. Reading this article left a bad taste in my mouth. It wasn't the Chinese that turned a large portion of industrial America into a rusty meth-infused wasteland, yet it is the Chinese that are opening these factories. I applaud a desire to maintain safety standards, but if it wasn't for Fuyao, there wouldn't be anyone to unionize, you know?

it_learnses 9y ago
yes i suppose they should be more grateful rather than whine about pesky things such as safety control...
vthallam 9y ago
So, that's what all it comes down to I guess. Like, be happy because there are jobs in the first place or unionise, make them accountable for all kinds of regulations and give them a hard time? Maybe the Chinese or perhaps anyone wouldn't have invested in the first place if they think they can not generate enough profits to sustain, so giving an easy pass for safety standards or any regulations would encourage this.
- TheBobinator 9y ago
  Over the long-term, the way Americans are fighting Communism is by introducing capital to modernize China which in turn should raise a middle class and cause them to evaluate capitalism on its merits. This is part of that struggle, and an attempt to avoid a bloody war if China were to decide on rapidly modernizing like Japan did pre-WW2. So I'd say China can take their trade and their factories and shove it, but that wouldn't be playing the culture war card. The Chinese expect to open plants here and run them in the same subjugated way they do in China because that's their culture. They view the US as something to conquer. What they're going to realize very quickly is that this endeavor is a lot like trying to herd cockroaches who know how to use gunpowder. Before you know it, they've laid traps you don't even know about in the walls. Trump's a warning shot across the bow of foreign powers and the establishment that the American public aren't going to put up with the lack of a social contract and continuous exploitation forever. He's not going to get a lot done, but that's part of the point; he's showing them that there are repercussions to economic warfare and subjugation. I doubt the plant is going to be there in a few years. They are going to deal with everything from EEOC lawsuits to unions being unreasonable because of the way promotions are done. They won't be able to shake that. Period. The only way to shake a union is to shut down long enough everyone leaves or treat people well enough they don't feel the need.
  - andreiw 9y ago
    So destroying America's manufacturing potential in everything from textiles, to electronics and heavy industries was all part of a scorched-earth secretive plan to fight Communism in China?
    - paulmd 9y ago
      Meanwhile, back in the "reality-based community"... https://danielmiessler.com/images/mfg1.jpg https://danielmiessler.com/images/mfg1.jpg
  - mistermann 9y ago
    > Over the long-term, the way Americans are fighting Communism is by introducing capital to modernize China Fighting communism? That's rich. Do you think the ability for corporations to cut costs in half while keeping sales constant might have just a little to do with it? > if China were to decide on rapidly modernizing like Japan did pre-WW2. Holy cow....without American corporations going over and teaching them how to do it, there's no way China could have modernized as quickly as they have. Everyone now is in the position of having to hope China will be a benevolent leader of the world, because it's almost inevitable at this point that they will surpass the US by a very wide margin. > Trump's a warning shot across the bow of foreign powers and the establishment that the American public aren't going to put up with the lack of a social contract and continuous exploitation forever. He's not going to get a lot done, but that's part of the point; he's showing them that there are repercussions to economic warfare and subjugation. Trump's movement is being put down as efficiently as the Occupy Wall Street and Bernie Sanders movements were put down, and the exploitation of Americans with their full compliance will continue. He's not going to accomplish anything.

it_learnses 9y ago

yes i suppose they should be more grateful rather than whine about pesky things such as safety control...

vthallam 9y ago

So, that's what all it comes down to I guess. Like, be happy because there are jobs in the first place or unionise, make them accountable for all kinds of regulations and give them a hard time? Maybe the Chinese or perhaps anyone wouldn't have invested in the first place if they think they can not generate enough profits to sustain, so giving an easy pass for safety standards or any regulations would encourage this.

TheBobinator 9y ago
Over the long-term, the way Americans are fighting Communism is by introducing capital to modernize China which in turn should raise a middle class and cause them to evaluate capitalism on its merits. This is part of that struggle, and an attempt to avoid a bloody war if China were to decide on rapidly modernizing like Japan did pre-WW2. So I'd say China can take their trade and their factories and shove it, but that wouldn't be playing the culture war card. The Chinese expect to open plants here and run them in the same subjugated way they do in China because that's their culture. They view the US as something to conquer. What they're going to realize very quickly is that this endeavor is a lot like trying to herd cockroaches who know how to use gunpowder. Before you know it, they've laid traps you don't even know about in the walls. Trump's a warning shot across the bow of foreign powers and the establishment that the American public aren't going to put up with the lack of a social contract and continuous exploitation forever. He's not going to get a lot done, but that's part of the point; he's showing them that there are repercussions to economic warfare and subjugation. I doubt the plant is going to be there in a few years. They are going to deal with everything from EEOC lawsuits to unions being unreasonable because of the way promotions are done. They won't be able to shake that. Period. The only way to shake a union is to shut down long enough everyone leaves or treat people well enough they don't feel the need.
- andreiw 9y ago
  So destroying America's manufacturing potential in everything from textiles, to electronics and heavy industries was all part of a scorched-earth secretive plan to fight Communism in China?
  - paulmd 9y ago
    Meanwhile, back in the "reality-based community"... https://danielmiessler.com/images/mfg1.jpg https://danielmiessler.com/images/mfg1.jpg
- mistermann 9y ago
  > Over the long-term, the way Americans are fighting Communism is by introducing capital to modernize China Fighting communism? That's rich. Do you think the ability for corporations to cut costs in half while keeping sales constant might have just a little to do with it? > if China were to decide on rapidly modernizing like Japan did pre-WW2. Holy cow....without American corporations going over and teaching them how to do it, there's no way China could have modernized as quickly as they have. Everyone now is in the position of having to hope China will be a benevolent leader of the world, because it's almost inevitable at this point that they will surpass the US by a very wide margin. > Trump's a warning shot across the bow of foreign powers and the establishment that the American public aren't going to put up with the lack of a social contract and continuous exploitation forever. He's not going to get a lot done, but that's part of the point; he's showing them that there are repercussions to economic warfare and subjugation. Trump's movement is being put down as efficiently as the Occupy Wall Street and Bernie Sanders movements were put down, and the exploitation of Americans with their full compliance will continue. He's not going to accomplish anything.