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I could swear I have already seen this link somewhere /s Plus this article is a fraud. The people it lists were killed by ignorance, neglect or their own infor

by qb45 9y ago

I could swear I have already seen this link somewhere /s Plus this article is a fraud. The people it lists were killed by ignorance, neglect or their own informed choice, not by homeopathy. I don't think anybody has yet died of drinking a small amount of water and the guy you are harassing said nothing about giving up other treatments, just using homeopathy as placebo.

michaelmrose 9y ago
As controls are not as tight as you know real medicine several have in fact died of homeopathic meds that contained far too much of the active ingredients
- lisper 9y ago
  But then those homeopathic meds were defective. Being harmed by a defective product is hardly unique to homeopathy.
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    Why are you defending a sham industry designed to separate fools from their money that discourages people from seeking real medical attention.
    - lisper 9y ago
      I'm not defending the industry. I think the industry is shameful. But the industry is distinct from the practice, and I think the practice can be beneficial to some people because placebos can be beneficial.
      - michaelmrose 9y ago
        Not even being aware of how to determine what constitutes valid medical advice is detrmimental to people's long term health.
    - qb45 9y ago
      Dude, it's HN, barely anyone here seriously supports homeopathy. The problem is that you are trying too hard to convince everyone. For me, if I knew nothing about the topic, this in itself would be a huge red flag to distrust you. Slow down and make sure to attack the right people for the right reasons. It's not true that all of this shit is low quality, I presume mainstream stuff advertised on TV like Oscillococcinum might be safe. It's not obvious that all of that is cynically designed to separate fools from their money, some of the vendors may be cranky enough to believe it or at the very least they may see it helping in some cases due to the placebo effect and conclude it must be good then. And every time you say something others know for sure to be false, you are undermining you own credibility.
      - dragonwriter 9y ago
        > It's not true that all of this shit is low quality Not all of it is low quality, but you don't find out which one is low quality until someone dies, because of the lack of serious controls. > I presume mainstream stuff advertised on TV like Oscillococcinum might be safe. It might be. OTOH, there have been fairly mainstream homeopathic products that weren't, such as one of the more popular homeopathic teething remedies.
      - michaelmrose 9y ago
        The thing I am attacking is an entire industry of con artists. Presuming medical advice is good because you heard it on tv is amazingly poorly thought out. Its as badly thought out for example as believing that the power of positive thinking provided by a fake cure is enough to balance out literally not knowing how to get good functional medial advice. In modern life where everyone who doesn't crash their car into a wall will need competent advice to reach their potential age this is a necessary survival skill long term. Homeopathy is without exception useless nonsense. for example Oscillococcinum is duck offal diluted. The logic behind its operation doesn't even make sense in homeopathy land. Its the approximate equivalent of bad sci fi wherein having made up some imaginary laws of physics the author can't even stick to them properly. I honestly don't know what algorithm you use to assess credibility. You suggest that you are put off by strong opinions but reassured by hearing about things on TV. You try to ascribe positive motives to modern day patent medicine scammers but distrust the motives of people angered such deceit. Consider refining your judgment. P.S. What did I say that you "know not to be true"?

by qb45 9y ago

michaelmrose 9y ago

As controls are not as tight as you know real medicine several have in fact died of homeopathic meds that contained far too much of the active ingredients

lisper 9y ago
But then those homeopathic meds were defective. Being harmed by a defective product is hardly unique to homeopathy.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  Why are you defending a sham industry designed to separate fools from their money that discourages people from seeking real medical attention.
  - lisper 9y ago
    I'm not defending the industry. I think the industry is shameful. But the industry is distinct from the practice, and I think the practice can be beneficial to some people because placebos can be beneficial.
    - michaelmrose 9y ago
      Not even being aware of how to determine what constitutes valid medical advice is detrmimental to people's long term health.
  - qb45 9y ago
    Dude, it's HN, barely anyone here seriously supports homeopathy. The problem is that you are trying too hard to convince everyone. For me, if I knew nothing about the topic, this in itself would be a huge red flag to distrust you. Slow down and make sure to attack the right people for the right reasons. It's not true that all of this shit is low quality, I presume mainstream stuff advertised on TV like Oscillococcinum might be safe. It's not obvious that all of that is cynically designed to separate fools from their money, some of the vendors may be cranky enough to believe it or at the very least they may see it helping in some cases due to the placebo effect and conclude it must be good then. And every time you say something others know for sure to be false, you are undermining you own credibility.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > It's not true that all of this shit is low quality Not all of it is low quality, but you don't find out which one is low quality until someone dies, because of the lack of serious controls. > I presume mainstream stuff advertised on TV like Oscillococcinum might be safe. It might be. OTOH, there have been fairly mainstream homeopathic products that weren't, such as one of the more popular homeopathic teething remedies.
    - michaelmrose 9y ago
      The thing I am attacking is an entire industry of con artists. Presuming medical advice is good because you heard it on tv is amazingly poorly thought out. Its as badly thought out for example as believing that the power of positive thinking provided by a fake cure is enough to balance out literally not knowing how to get good functional medial advice. In modern life where everyone who doesn't crash their car into a wall will need competent advice to reach their potential age this is a necessary survival skill long term. Homeopathy is without exception useless nonsense. for example Oscillococcinum is duck offal diluted. The logic behind its operation doesn't even make sense in homeopathy land. Its the approximate equivalent of bad sci fi wherein having made up some imaginary laws of physics the author can't even stick to them properly. I honestly don't know what algorithm you use to assess credibility. You suggest that you are put off by strong opinions but reassured by hearing about things on TV. You try to ascribe positive motives to modern day patent medicine scammers but distrust the motives of people angered such deceit. Consider refining your judgment. P.S. What did I say that you "know not to be true"?