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If you don't want guns, maybe you should repeal the second amendment instead of ignoring it. Same goes for the first.

diego_moita 9y ago
This made me laugh: as a non-American I am so happy that my country is civilized enough to not to have a "second amendment".
- kakarot 9y ago
  You and your fellow citizens are incapable of organizing against your government in the event that it becomes dangerous to its constituents. Congratulations! I am glad to live in a country whose founders had the foresight that allowing a government to leverage weaponry / violence against its citizens without giving its citizens the same leverage was just a bad, bad idea. That is the real reason for the 2nd amendment, not so I can defend myself against home intruders. That is a secondary argument.
  - partycoder 9y ago
    Except that this time the difference between a regular army and a militia would be far beyond just the color of their coat. Having weapons at home can barely counter law enforcement, let alone a professional military force. This time there's more technology supporting each area of warfare: logistics, reconnaissance, equipment, vehicles... A militia, however organized, has everything to lose against an regular army in the 21st century. In fact, chances are you would die before you are in range to fire your weapon. Your only chance to win would be insurgency or guerrilla warfare.
    - kakarot 9y ago
      You are absolutely correct and it's a horrible state of affairs. There's still no need to starve the beast and remove one of the few weapons we have against the slaughtering of our rights and freedoms. Just being able to purchase guns of reasonable firepower without scrutiny is extremely important to the freedom of our posterity and their ability to organize. I know this almost makes me sound like some sort of radical terrorist, but these ideals are at the core of our Constitution and to not value these ideals is to be devoid of true patriotism.
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    - bitJericho 9y ago
      Guerilla warfare... without guns? You're exactly right, "Your only chance to win would be insurgency or guerrilla warfare." but I'll add "with guns."
      - partycoder 9y ago
        Good luck shooting at an Apache helicopter with a mounted minigun with your semi-automatic gun.
        bitJericho 9y ago
        That argument would be much more effective if we didn't have groups like ISIS taking the piss out of the US.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  >"This made me laugh: as a non-American I am so happy that my country is civilized enough to not to have a "second amendment." And your comment might make others laugh for its ignorance. Perhaps you should read up a bit on US history, the circumstances of its' founding and the "actual" origins of the second amendment? It's not some provision that was proposed by a bunch of "uncivilized" gun nuts: http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/2nd-amendment.html http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/2nd-amendment.ht... Out of curiosity can you share what is your country?
- dang 9y ago
  Insulting other nations as uncivilized is one of the worst things you can do in an internet flamewar, where by 'worse' I mean 'producing more of the same, only more so'. We ban accounts that comment like this, so please don't do it again. More generally, please don't post unsubstantive comments. The combination of uncivil+informationless is particularly toxic. Upvoters: if you upvote this kind of thing, eventually your upvotes will not count.
  - Thiez 9y ago
    > Upvoters: if you upvote this kind of thing, eventually your upvotes will not count. Wait, how does that work? Does HN track upvotes for posts disliked by the mods, and somehow penalize the associated accounts?

This made me laugh: as a non-American I am so happy that my country is civilized enough to not to have a "second amendment".

kakarot 9y ago
You and your fellow citizens are incapable of organizing against your government in the event that it becomes dangerous to its constituents. Congratulations! I am glad to live in a country whose founders had the foresight that allowing a government to leverage weaponry / violence against its citizens without giving its citizens the same leverage was just a bad, bad idea. That is the real reason for the 2nd amendment, not so I can defend myself against home intruders. That is a secondary argument.
- partycoder 9y ago
  Except that this time the difference between a regular army and a militia would be far beyond just the color of their coat. Having weapons at home can barely counter law enforcement, let alone a professional military force. This time there's more technology supporting each area of warfare: logistics, reconnaissance, equipment, vehicles... A militia, however organized, has everything to lose against an regular army in the 21st century. In fact, chances are you would die before you are in range to fire your weapon. Your only chance to win would be insurgency or guerrilla warfare.
  - kakarot 9y ago
    You are absolutely correct and it's a horrible state of affairs. There's still no need to starve the beast and remove one of the few weapons we have against the slaughtering of our rights and freedoms. Just being able to purchase guns of reasonable firepower without scrutiny is extremely important to the freedom of our posterity and their ability to organize. I know this almost makes me sound like some sort of radical terrorist, but these ideals are at the core of our Constitution and to not value these ideals is to be devoid of true patriotism.
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  - bitJericho 9y ago
    Guerilla warfare... without guns? You're exactly right, "Your only chance to win would be insurgency or guerrilla warfare." but I'll add "with guns."
    - partycoder 9y ago
      Good luck shooting at an Apache helicopter with a mounted minigun with your semi-automatic gun.
      - bitJericho 9y ago
        That argument would be much more effective if we didn't have groups like ISIS taking the piss out of the US.
bogomipz 9y ago
>"This made me laugh: as a non-American I am so happy that my country is civilized enough to not to have a "second amendment." And your comment might make others laugh for its ignorance. Perhaps you should read up a bit on US history, the circumstances of its' founding and the "actual" origins of the second amendment? It's not some provision that was proposed by a bunch of "uncivilized" gun nuts: http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/2nd-amendment.html http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/2nd-amendment.ht... Out of curiosity can you share what is your country?
dang 9y ago
Insulting other nations as uncivilized is one of the worst things you can do in an internet flamewar, where by 'worse' I mean 'producing more of the same, only more so'. We ban accounts that comment like this, so please don't do it again. More generally, please don't post unsubstantive comments. The combination of uncivil+informationless is particularly toxic. Upvoters: if you upvote this kind of thing, eventually your upvotes will not count.
- Thiez 9y ago
  > Upvoters: if you upvote this kind of thing, eventually your upvotes will not count. Wait, how does that work? Does HN track upvotes for posts disliked by the mods, and somehow penalize the associated accounts?