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> If Google blacklisted non-AMP content, sure there's an argument, but as of yet this notion that it's some content theft is quite strange. Doesn't Google alre

by bo1024 9y ago

> If Google blacklisted non-AMP content, sure there's an argument, but as of yet this notion that it's some content theft is quite strange. Doesn't Google already admit to prioritising AMP pages in search results?

endorphone 9y ago
Thus far it is purportedly not a ranking factor. https://moz.com/blog/google-amp-search-results https://moz.com/blog/google-amp-search-results https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/07/06/is-google-amp-a-ranking-signal/ https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/07/06/is-google-amp-a-ran... [just to be clear, just because you read it in some HN thread doesn't make it true. Let's see a single citation that it actually influences ranking]
- tyingq 9y ago
  In the organic results or the carousel?
- untog 9y ago
  I'm yet to see a single page in the carousel at the top of a search page not be an AMP page.
  - espadrine 9y ago
    To be precise, it is not explicitly boosted in the rankings. One factor that Google Search takes into account is page load time. https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2010/04/using-site-speed-in-web-search-ranking.html https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2010/04/using-site-speed-i... There was a vicious spiral at work related to advertisers not caring enough about page load, and adding that signal was not enough. AMP shifted the game by placing the burden on Google of specifying a way to hit advertisers' goals while offering a faster experience.
    - untog 9y ago
      > To be precise, it is not explicitly boosted in the rankings. One factor that Google Search takes into account is page load time. And AMP pages are hosted on a Google CDN. They are very clearly putting their thumb on the scale.
tyingq 9y ago
They do. They seem to be a little quiet about the idea that a right/left swipe on your content switches to a competitors page though.
- yoz-y 9y ago
  It seems to be switching to the next article on the carousel. Which, at least for me completely breaks the web experience. Opening an amp page from google requires getting used to a whole new set of, in my opinion, unnecessary conventions.
- qrbLPHiKpiux 9y ago
  I can't think of another search engine alternative - a truly objective one. It used to be Google. Then they gained a tremendous amount of market share. Even an English language verb - googled. Now it's them. And I ask, now what?
  - paulhebert 9y ago
    Try out DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/ https://duckduckgo.com/). I've been using it for a few years and love it. They don't track you. They don't store your info. Plus, as far as I know they don't do anything besides search so they have no reason to not be objective.
    - diydsp 9y ago
      I use DDG on all my devices at home and work. This whole thread has been a learning experience to me, because I never experience the various problems people have been reporting with AMP. Perhaps my results could have been loading faster? I'm not willing to make a deal with the devil to find out. I'm pretty satisfied with what I have now.

by bo1024 9y ago

endorphone 9y ago

Thus far it is purportedly not a ranking factor. https://moz.com/blog/google-amp-search-results https://moz.com/blog/google-amp-search-results https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/07/06/is-google-amp-a-ranking-signal/ https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/07/06/is-google-amp-a-ran... [just to be clear, just because you read it in some HN thread doesn't make it true. Let's see a single citation that it actually influences ranking]

tyingq 9y ago
In the organic results or the carousel?
untog 9y ago
I'm yet to see a single page in the carousel at the top of a search page not be an AMP page.
- espadrine 9y ago
  To be precise, it is not explicitly boosted in the rankings. One factor that Google Search takes into account is page load time. https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2010/04/using-site-speed-in-web-search-ranking.html https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2010/04/using-site-speed-i... There was a vicious spiral at work related to advertisers not caring enough about page load, and adding that signal was not enough. AMP shifted the game by placing the burden on Google of specifying a way to hit advertisers' goals while offering a faster experience.
  - untog 9y ago
    > To be precise, it is not explicitly boosted in the rankings. One factor that Google Search takes into account is page load time. And AMP pages are hosted on a Google CDN. They are very clearly putting their thumb on the scale.

tyingq 9y ago

They do. They seem to be a little quiet about the idea that a right/left swipe on your content switches to a competitors page though.

yoz-y 9y ago
It seems to be switching to the next article on the carousel. Which, at least for me completely breaks the web experience. Opening an amp page from google requires getting used to a whole new set of, in my opinion, unnecessary conventions.
qrbLPHiKpiux 9y ago
I can't think of another search engine alternative - a truly objective one. It used to be Google. Then they gained a tremendous amount of market share. Even an English language verb - googled. Now it's them. And I ask, now what?
- paulhebert 9y ago
  Try out DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/ https://duckduckgo.com/). I've been using it for a few years and love it. They don't track you. They don't store your info. Plus, as far as I know they don't do anything besides search so they have no reason to not be objective.
  - diydsp 9y ago
    I use DDG on all my devices at home and work. This whole thread has been a learning experience to me, because I never experience the various problems people have been reporting with AMP. Perhaps my results could have been loading faster? I'm not willing to make a deal with the devil to find out. I'm pretty satisfied with what I have now.