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Interesting how they call this illegal because airport is within 5 miles. Airport is almost unrelated to this particular situation but I guess it's a concrete w

by e9 9y ago

Interesting how they call this illegal because airport is within 5 miles. Airport is almost unrelated to this particular situation but I guess it's a concrete way to make person liable.

dmitrygr 9y ago
The law states that FAA owns airspace and that flying within 5nm of towered airport without contacting tower is illegal. Simple.
- foone 9y ago
  I checked, and that means it's basically illegal to fly a drone in the bay area: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB54FczUQAEQ5D6.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB54FczUQAEQ5D6.jpg:large
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  - dmitrygr 9y ago
    That is correct except for places like pacifica
  - dionidium 9y ago
    It's not just the Bay Area. The restrictions and FAA guidelines are written in a way that prohibits almost all recreational flying in urban areas. I don't think I've seen a single widely-shared drone video that wasn't afoul of the law.
    - milkthefat 9y ago
      Depending on your definition of widely-shared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP9KY3lNeBc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP9KY3lNeBc
  - arnarbi 9y ago
    .. without notifying the airport, yes. You can fly within 5 miles if you give them notice (it can be a voicemail/email).
    - abakker 9y ago
      Not quite. You can fly below 400 feet AGL as long as you stay out of the immediate part of the class B,c,d airspace that touches the ground. While a lot of the bay is regulated airspace, there is plenty of area below 400feet that is not within he class b/c/d. SFO is class B, but most of the others are class C and do not extend quite so far. As for notices, if you are working near airports with drones commercially, filing a NOTAM is a good idea. If you are Within the airspace, you will need to get permission from the control tower, which requires advanced filing. (Up to 90 days ahead of time). Calling the local tower/airport as a hobbyist is a bad idea. Instead, just fly somewhere else, and NEVER fly above 400 feet or within regulated airspace. Note that apps like AirMap can help figure this stuff out, however, there are a lot of helipads in the city that make things problematic. Some of which are not actually still there, but which were never removed from the FAA records. However, the UCSF medical center is one which is active. Also, IME tourist/ sightseeing helicopters regularly fly too low in the bay. If a drone causes an accident, even if the pilot of the helicopter is flying illegally low I doubt anyone would side with the drone operator. Finally, even as a hobbyist, it is worth getting verifly if you are flying in busy areas. Being able to buy spot insurance for flights is great if you are flying somewhere unfamiliar, or testing a new drone.
      - asynchronous13 9y ago
        > Calling the local tower/airport as a hobbyist is a bad idea. Yet, that is what the FAA says to do. Friends in the local flying club are really trying to obey all the rules, and call the tower because they are ~4 miles away from the airport. At first, the people at the local tower were just annoyed by the phone calls and would say, "I don't care if you're flying a toy 4 miles away. Why are you calling?" Now that the new rules are more known, the person who answers is very quick and courteous, "Where are you? Stay under 400, have fun."
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  - asveikau 9y ago
    I don't see a legend. What do the areas with diagonal lines mean?
- libria 9y ago
  Yes but I would still want applicable laws preventing drone instigated powerouts for the rest of the country not within 5 mi of an airport.
- ouid 9y ago
  How do they measure 5 nanometers?
Sir_Substance 9y ago
Safe and efficient flight routes, like useful frequency spectra, are a high demand limited space quantity that can't be used by two people at the same time. To my mind, flying near an airport is actually the more troublesome crime, because people will assume it doesn't matter, but it definitely does. An international flight system is only possible because a highly regulated system exists to ensure that a French plane flying east over Ukrainian airspace won't collide with a Norwegian plane going south, which is why all major flight plans are filed in advance. If some scrub with $500 and no brain forces a plane to deviate from it's flight path to avoid sucking his $350 drone into its $12,000,000 engine, it could cause a chain-reaction of re-routing that costs tens of thousands of dollars in fuel and delay associated costs. Don't fuck with airports. If you've got to scratch that public nuisance itch, go fishing with dynamite or something.
- gugagore 9y ago
  Okay, but it doesn't make sense to me how a plane deviating (somehow) in order not to collide with a drone would affect any other plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_(aeronautics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_(aeronautics)
- ams6110 9y ago
  Not really a big deal. Hundreds of airplanes deviate every day for weather, technical problems, medical issues on board, etc. Deviations are normal and accommodated.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    They deviate because they have to. Trying to cause that on purpose is intentionally wasting tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, and is a pretty antisocial thing to do.

by e9 9y ago

Interesting how they call this illegal because airport is within 5 miles. Airport is almost unrelated to this particular situation but I guess it's a concrete way to make person liable.

dmitrygr 9y ago

The law states that FAA owns airspace and that flying within 5nm of towered airport without contacting tower is illegal. Simple.

foone 9y ago
I checked, and that means it's basically illegal to fly a drone in the bay area: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB54FczUQAEQ5D6.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB54FczUQAEQ5D6.jpg:large
- deleted 9y ago
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- dmitrygr 9y ago
  That is correct except for places like pacifica
- dionidium 9y ago
  It's not just the Bay Area. The restrictions and FAA guidelines are written in a way that prohibits almost all recreational flying in urban areas. I don't think I've seen a single widely-shared drone video that wasn't afoul of the law.
  - milkthefat 9y ago
    Depending on your definition of widely-shared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP9KY3lNeBc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP9KY3lNeBc
- arnarbi 9y ago
  .. without notifying the airport, yes. You can fly within 5 miles if you give them notice (it can be a voicemail/email).
  - abakker 9y ago
    Not quite. You can fly below 400 feet AGL as long as you stay out of the immediate part of the class B,c,d airspace that touches the ground. While a lot of the bay is regulated airspace, there is plenty of area below 400feet that is not within he class b/c/d. SFO is class B, but most of the others are class C and do not extend quite so far. As for notices, if you are working near airports with drones commercially, filing a NOTAM is a good idea. If you are Within the airspace, you will need to get permission from the control tower, which requires advanced filing. (Up to 90 days ahead of time). Calling the local tower/airport as a hobbyist is a bad idea. Instead, just fly somewhere else, and NEVER fly above 400 feet or within regulated airspace. Note that apps like AirMap can help figure this stuff out, however, there are a lot of helipads in the city that make things problematic. Some of which are not actually still there, but which were never removed from the FAA records. However, the UCSF medical center is one which is active. Also, IME tourist/ sightseeing helicopters regularly fly too low in the bay. If a drone causes an accident, even if the pilot of the helicopter is flying illegally low I doubt anyone would side with the drone operator. Finally, even as a hobbyist, it is worth getting verifly if you are flying in busy areas. Being able to buy spot insurance for flights is great if you are flying somewhere unfamiliar, or testing a new drone.
    - asynchronous13 9y ago
      > Calling the local tower/airport as a hobbyist is a bad idea. Yet, that is what the FAA says to do. Friends in the local flying club are really trying to obey all the rules, and call the tower because they are ~4 miles away from the airport. At first, the people at the local tower were just annoyed by the phone calls and would say, "I don't care if you're flying a toy 4 miles away. Why are you calling?" Now that the new rules are more known, the person who answers is very quick and courteous, "Where are you? Stay under 400, have fun."
- deleted 9y ago
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- asveikau 9y ago
  I don't see a legend. What do the areas with diagonal lines mean?
libria 9y ago
Yes but I would still want applicable laws preventing drone instigated powerouts for the rest of the country not within 5 mi of an airport.
ouid 9y ago
How do they measure 5 nanometers?

Sir_Substance 9y ago

Safe and efficient flight routes, like useful frequency spectra, are a high demand limited space quantity that can't be used by two people at the same time. To my mind, flying near an airport is actually the more troublesome crime, because people will assume it doesn't matter, but it definitely does. An international flight system is only possible because a highly regulated system exists to ensure that a French plane flying east over Ukrainian airspace won't collide with a Norwegian plane going south, which is why all major flight plans are filed in advance. If some scrub with $500 and no brain forces a plane to deviate from it's flight path to avoid sucking his $350 drone into its $12,000,000 engine, it could cause a chain-reaction of re-routing that costs tens of thousands of dollars in fuel and delay associated costs. Don't fuck with airports. If you've got to scratch that public nuisance itch, go fishing with dynamite or something.

gugagore 9y ago
Okay, but it doesn't make sense to me how a plane deviating (somehow) in order not to collide with a drone would affect any other plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_(aeronautics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_(aeronautics)
ams6110 9y ago
Not really a big deal. Hundreds of airplanes deviate every day for weather, technical problems, medical issues on board, etc. Deviations are normal and accommodated.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  They deviate because they have to. Trying to cause that on purpose is intentionally wasting tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, and is a pretty antisocial thing to do.