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I would expect to see some kind of police report, and prosecution of an individual charged with a crime, no?

by pavement 9y ago

ntaylor 9y ago
Seems like nothing short of a felony. I can't conceive why someone with half a brain would do this.
- deleted 9y ago
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Cshelton 9y ago
Yes, it is criminal and the ex-admin will go to jail. The cases for this are pretty straightforward... not sure why someone would throw their life away by doing it...
- yaur 9y ago
  Well, whats actually not clear from their message is if the person who is currently an "ex administrator" was an ex-admin at the time that they deleted everything or if they were fired because of a (bad) mistake and are now an ex-admin.
  - pavement 9y ago
    Being fired for an honest error made in good faith is a misclassification of such a problem. If a single current, acting employee causes an outage by way of human error, then process and planning are to blame for the destruction. If there isn't a police report, and charges aren't pressed against a malicious individual, then the company may be at fault. Certainly the employee could willingly and pro-actively step down, out of personal guilt and feelings of shame, but then, one need not qualify with "ex" as simply "employee" will suffice. A criminal incident is worthy of such a clarification, indicating that the incident is a deliberate attack, but human error is not.
- slantyyz 9y ago
  >> Yes, it is criminal and the ex-admin will go to jail. What if the admin was a remote worker in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the Netherlands (Verelox hq country)?
  - pavement 9y ago
    > 4 low-latency locations in ISO/IEC 27001 > certified Tier 3+ data centers in United > States, Netherlands, France and Canada. Entirely possible.
  - wand3r 9y ago
    Presumably they would have a warrant out in Netherlands. If issued in the EU or US I wonder if it would effectively ban them from most Western countries similar to Assange. If this was a "cyber crime" they could possibly be picked up to stand trial in any cooperating country which would narrow their choices of travel. However, in that situation they would probably be fine except potentially limited ability to work for Companies who do background checks
- Paul-ish 9y ago
  Hrm. I wonder how this would work if the ex-admin is working remotely from a country that wouldn't extradite for this.
  - PhantomGremlin 9y ago
    A good argument against "offshoring". Although that's perhaps not the right word. There is contiguous land between e.g. The Netherlands and Russia, so there's no "shore" involved as there would be between e.g. the USA and Russia. I do think the word's meaning is now more "another country", rather than denoting crossing physical land/water boundaries.
    - sqldba 9y ago
      It's impossible to happen from offshoring because there are contracts in place to prevent it! (cheeky grin)
- ryanlol 9y ago
  >Yes, it is criminal and the ex-admin will go to jail. Maybe in North Korea, or the US. Relatively unlikely in civilized countries.
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    I wonder if some of the downvoters would like to expand on why this guy wouldn't be given a suspended sentence. I've been following and partaking in various European cybercrime trials for years and unless this guy is a repeat offender or acted in a particularly methodical manner it seems utterly ridiculous to make blanket statements like "this guy will go to jail". He most likely will not.
    - dingo_bat 9y ago
      I downvoted because it compared USA to North Korea and suggested they both are "uncivilized".
      - ryanlol 9y ago
        Do you believe that's an unfair comparison? According to various statistics both states have very similar incarceration rates. Compare US incarceration rate of 693 people per 100,000 to 69 people per 100,000 in the Netherlands.
- walshemj 9y ago
  Assuming that the police care about cyber crime and can find enough evidence.

I would expect to see some kind of police report, and prosecution of an individual charged with a crime, no?

ntaylor 9y ago

Seems like nothing short of a felony. I can't conceive why someone with half a brain would do this.

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Cshelton 9y ago

Yes, it is criminal and the ex-admin will go to jail. The cases for this are pretty straightforward... not sure why someone would throw their life away by doing it...

yaur 9y ago
Well, whats actually not clear from their message is if the person who is currently an "ex administrator" was an ex-admin at the time that they deleted everything or if they were fired because of a (bad) mistake and are now an ex-admin.
- pavement 9y ago
  Being fired for an honest error made in good faith is a misclassification of such a problem. If a single current, acting employee causes an outage by way of human error, then process and planning are to blame for the destruction. If there isn't a police report, and charges aren't pressed against a malicious individual, then the company may be at fault. Certainly the employee could willingly and pro-actively step down, out of personal guilt and feelings of shame, but then, one need not qualify with "ex" as simply "employee" will suffice. A criminal incident is worthy of such a clarification, indicating that the incident is a deliberate attack, but human error is not.
slantyyz 9y ago
>> Yes, it is criminal and the ex-admin will go to jail. What if the admin was a remote worker in a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the Netherlands (Verelox hq country)?
- pavement 9y ago
  > 4 low-latency locations in ISO/IEC 27001 > certified Tier 3+ data centers in United > States, Netherlands, France and Canada. Entirely possible.
- wand3r 9y ago
  Presumably they would have a warrant out in Netherlands. If issued in the EU or US I wonder if it would effectively ban them from most Western countries similar to Assange. If this was a "cyber crime" they could possibly be picked up to stand trial in any cooperating country which would narrow their choices of travel. However, in that situation they would probably be fine except potentially limited ability to work for Companies who do background checks
Paul-ish 9y ago
Hrm. I wonder how this would work if the ex-admin is working remotely from a country that wouldn't extradite for this.
- PhantomGremlin 9y ago
  A good argument against "offshoring". Although that's perhaps not the right word. There is contiguous land between e.g. The Netherlands and Russia, so there's no "shore" involved as there would be between e.g. the USA and Russia. I do think the word's meaning is now more "another country", rather than denoting crossing physical land/water boundaries.
  - sqldba 9y ago
    It's impossible to happen from offshoring because there are contracts in place to prevent it! (cheeky grin)
ryanlol 9y ago
>Yes, it is criminal and the ex-admin will go to jail. Maybe in North Korea, or the US. Relatively unlikely in civilized countries.
- ryanlol 9y ago
  I wonder if some of the downvoters would like to expand on why this guy wouldn't be given a suspended sentence. I've been following and partaking in various European cybercrime trials for years and unless this guy is a repeat offender or acted in a particularly methodical manner it seems utterly ridiculous to make blanket statements like "this guy will go to jail". He most likely will not.
  - dingo_bat 9y ago
    I downvoted because it compared USA to North Korea and suggested they both are "uncivilized".
    - ryanlol 9y ago
      Do you believe that's an unfair comparison? According to various statistics both states have very similar incarceration rates. Compare US incarceration rate of 693 people per 100,000 to 69 people per 100,000 in the Netherlands.
walshemj 9y ago
Assuming that the police care about cyber crime and can find enough evidence.