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It isn't present AFAIK, because Intel cuts corners on enthusiast chips they do not expect to be used in a networked environment in order to save money, and stil

It isn't present AFAIK, because Intel cuts corners on enthusiast chips they do not expect to be used in a networked environment in order to save money, and still charge you more than the non-enthusiast counterparts.

mschuster91 9y ago
Ah okay. I thought that Intel bins everything from high-grade Xeon to i3 from the same silicon to save costs.
- kakarot 9y ago
  I couldn't truly say whether Intel bins all of their processors with the same prefab or not, I'm not sure how to find this out either. My working theory however is that since my chip lacks vPRO / AMT and I have not been able to find any indication it exists on the chip even in a dormant state, there may be more than one prefab used for binning. However they could be using the same prefab for all. Thus, "AFAIK".
rasz 9y ago
ME is there (ability to execute below ring -1). Go ahead and check it right now, look at lspci/device manager for Management Engine Communications device. Its present on cheapest desktop H81 motherboards, and on highend (at the time) Z87 ones, no matter the cpu.
- kakarot 9y ago
  I have done that before, and I've just done it again, and I don't get anything. The only thing present on my system related to ME afaik is the MEI linux driver, which is pretty useless without a ME to talk to. According to ARK [0], vPRO is absent. I have done various other system queries and nothing has turned up. Anything else you want me to query? And where do you get this information that ME is present in all chips? Having a motherboard that supports ME is irrelevant, if the chip has no ME. [0] https://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz https://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Pro...
  - rasz 9y ago
    https://github.com/zamaudio/intelmetool https://github.com/zamaudio/intelmetool sudo intelmetool -s Im pretty sure Intel BootGuard is ME based
    - kakarot 9y ago
      I'll check this out tonight, thanks!
zer0tonin 9y ago
ME is always there even if you don't have any of its features.
- kakarot 9y ago
  See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14522172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14522172 Same questions apply to you. This is something I would like to be proved wrong on, as I don't want a false since of security.

mschuster91 9y ago

Ah okay. I thought that Intel bins everything from high-grade Xeon to i3 from the same silicon to save costs.

kakarot 9y ago
I couldn't truly say whether Intel bins all of their processors with the same prefab or not, I'm not sure how to find this out either. My working theory however is that since my chip lacks vPRO / AMT and I have not been able to find any indication it exists on the chip even in a dormant state, there may be more than one prefab used for binning. However they could be using the same prefab for all. Thus, "AFAIK".

rasz 9y ago

ME is there (ability to execute below ring -1). Go ahead and check it right now, look at lspci/device manager for Management Engine Communications device. Its present on cheapest desktop H81 motherboards, and on highend (at the time) Z87 ones, no matter the cpu.

kakarot 9y ago
I have done that before, and I've just done it again, and I don't get anything. The only thing present on my system related to ME afaik is the MEI linux driver, which is pretty useless without a ME to talk to. According to ARK [0], vPRO is absent. I have done various other system queries and nothing has turned up. Anything else you want me to query? And where do you get this information that ME is present in all chips? Having a motherboard that supports ME is irrelevant, if the chip has no ME. [0] https://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz https://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Pro...
- rasz 9y ago
  https://github.com/zamaudio/intelmetool https://github.com/zamaudio/intelmetool sudo intelmetool -s Im pretty sure Intel BootGuard is ME based
  - kakarot 9y ago
    I'll check this out tonight, thanks!

zer0tonin 9y ago

ME is always there even if you don't have any of its features.

kakarot 9y ago
See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14522172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14522172 Same questions apply to you. This is something I would like to be proved wrong on, as I don't want a false since of security.