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edit: I know they're Unionist and eurosceptic, my understanding was that they were also for a single Ireland inside the UK and therefore would want a soft Brexi
by NamTaf 9y ago
edit: I know they're Unionist and eurosceptic, my understanding was that they were also for a single Ireland inside the UK and therefore would want a soft Brexit with an open Irish border. Thanks for correcting me on that however.
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There is no possible outcome here for the Tories that works towards a strong Brexit. The most likely coalition partner - the DUP - is all about a unified Ireland. Brexit is driving a major wedge into Ireland's border, so they will undermine that at every turn.
Expect a revote in a couple of weeks. This outcome leaves no one in a position to govern strongly and that directly weakens the UK's position in Brexit talks.
- Newky 9y agoThe DUP are the unionist party in the north of Ireland. They are against a united Ireland and were leave campaigners.
- Gupie 9y agoThe DUP are unionists, they want to maintain the union with Britain, they are diametrically opposed to a united Ireland.
- DoctorNick 9y agoThe DUP wants a wall built around northern Ireland, and wants a hard Brexit.
- kolp 9y agoThe DUP is a unionist party and is diametrically opposed to a united Ireland.
- flukus 9y agoHypothetically, Would they accept a united Ireland as part of the UK?
- arethuza 9y agoWhy on earth would they want that - I don't think I've heard anyone even mentioning that idea. It's about as likely as the US deciding it wants to be a UK colony again.
- Eire1916 9y agoExactly. What a ridiculous suggestion. We will get our island back and it's in sight now
- egeekuk 9y agoThe bigger question there is why would the Irish want to become part of the UK after less than 100 years of independence?
- theBobBob 9y agoI'm curious has something like that ever happened. A country was conquered, then won independence and then at a later point, decided to "rejoin" them.
- flukus 9y agoCrimea kind of did that. They were conquered by Russia ~200 years ago, won independence with the Ukraine and then wanted to rejoin with Russia.
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- forvelin 9y agoIt happened thanks to massive deportations of Soviet Union which changed whole social structure of Crimea. People who got conquered and who rejoined have not a single connection.
- flukus 9y agoWell they tried that trick in Ireland too, I'm not sure if the scale was different or if the later wars undid the progress.
- lostlogin 9y agoThis is a slightly one eyed view of what's going on. What would you call the related events in Ukraine? There are plenty of other invasions that have been called reunifications or similar. Attacking a neighbour is quite different to a two state, democratic decision to join.
- Eire1916 9y agoNever! We are Irish. We do not and will not ever accept a king, queen or monarch ruling over us. We are a Republic and would be willing to die for it, and this time go the whole way
- isostatic 9y agoAre you a DUP member? I think you're in the wrong party if so
- egeekuk 9y agoNorthern Ireland person here, I'm afraid you have it backwards. The DUP is strongly opposed to a united Ireland, and (until very recently) have supported a border of some description with Ireland. Sinn Fein are for a united Ireland, but do not take up their seats in Westminster. The DUP have obtained 10 seats in this election (Sinn Fein have 7), and a coalition between the Conservatives and the DUP looks likely. The DUP has been bigger supporters of the Conservatives, and of Brexit.
- NamTaf 9y agoThanks mate, I had a blend of the two as my understanding per my edit. I thought both wanted a united Ireland, but one from the Union and one from the Republic. I had that understanding as I thought that was largely what kept the issues within Ireland minimised.
- egeekuk 9y agoNo probs, what's been keeping the issues under control here is the Belfast (Good Friday) agreement [0], which (among lots of other things): - grants dual nationality (British and Irish) to all the people born in Northern Ireland (simplified, there's a bit of complexity in there) - allows for the Northern Ireland to become part of a United Ireland if the majority of people in Ireland wish it IMO there's been a voice of reason coming from the middle ground, but this election has seen the province move more towards tribalism and the middle ground parties loosing their seats. [0] - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-belfast-agreement https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-belfast-agree... (edited for formatting of the bullet points)