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With regards to the innovation question: considering that the soviets we're quite good at military and space innovations, and that defense organizations in gene

by petra 9y ago

With regards to the innovation question: considering that the soviets we're quite good at military and space innovations, and that defense organizations in general produce a lot of innovation(think DARPA), maybe central planning could work ? Though of course the required central planning here is quite different, more about smart bets than optimizations, and focusing engineering resources at important problems, which doesn't seem that great at capitalistic economies either(think planned obsolesce, "my generation is optimizing ads", browser in-incompatibilities, etc) .

thehardsphere 9y ago
The Soviets were really good at military and space innovations but: 1. They weren't much better than the West. Consider that the capitalist world surpassed them at pretty much anything they started with an advantage in. 2. They were also really bad at managing the scarcity of very basic things their people needed. Like, food and medicine. The joke was that Russia had "bad weather" for 70 years under communism.
- fetbaffe 9y ago
  Soviets where good at military and space innovation because there was competition with the West. There was no competition on their domestic market, hence it sucked.
AnimalMuppet 9y ago
Maybe central planning works better on big items than it does on little ones. Gorbachev decided that central planning wasn't working when he realized that the USSR could produce military hardware as well as the US, but couldn't supply toothpaste to its population.
- Pamar 9y ago
  Spufford's book mentions this explicitly: during the description of one of the Central Planning Sessions one of the characters muses (i.e. provides an overview to the reader) about the many unwritten rules that guide each of the calculation steps. One (possibly the most important) is that "The Army always gets first pick to anything". So the Objective Function assigned much higher "value" to Military production (either explicitly or implicitly) and this of course made military production more "efficient" than consumer goods production. (I put quotes around "efficient" because there still was a lot of waste and corruption even in that, of course).
ernst_klim 9y ago
>With regards to the innovation question: considering that the soviets we're quite good at military and space innovations Well, space industry was quite suboptimal in USSR. Successes were achieved because of 1) all resources were spent on space and military and 2) great legacy of Russian Empire (especially great minds like Korolev, Tsiolkovsky and Tupolev). So I see it more like stagnation than development.

by petra 9y ago

thehardsphere 9y ago

The Soviets were really good at military and space innovations but: 1. They weren't much better than the West. Consider that the capitalist world surpassed them at pretty much anything they started with an advantage in. 2. They were also really bad at managing the scarcity of very basic things their people needed. Like, food and medicine. The joke was that Russia had "bad weather" for 70 years under communism.

fetbaffe 9y ago
Soviets where good at military and space innovation because there was competition with the West. There was no competition on their domestic market, hence it sucked.

AnimalMuppet 9y ago

Maybe central planning works better on big items than it does on little ones. Gorbachev decided that central planning wasn't working when he realized that the USSR could produce military hardware as well as the US, but couldn't supply toothpaste to its population.

Pamar 9y ago
Spufford's book mentions this explicitly: during the description of one of the Central Planning Sessions one of the characters muses (i.e. provides an overview to the reader) about the many unwritten rules that guide each of the calculation steps. One (possibly the most important) is that "The Army always gets first pick to anything". So the Objective Function assigned much higher "value" to Military production (either explicitly or implicitly) and this of course made military production more "efficient" than consumer goods production. (I put quotes around "efficient" because there still was a lot of waste and corruption even in that, of course).

ernst_klim 9y ago

>With regards to the innovation question: considering that the soviets we're quite good at military and space innovations Well, space industry was quite suboptimal in USSR. Successes were achieved because of 1) all resources were spent on space and military and 2) great legacy of Russian Empire (especially great minds like Korolev, Tsiolkovsky and Tupolev). So I see it more like stagnation than development.