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I have to ask this, but isn't it possible that the media's obsession with sexism in the tech is backfiring? I think the best thing we could do to alleviate sexi

I have to ask this, but isn't it possible that the media's obsession with sexism in the tech is backfiring? I think the best thing we could do to alleviate sexism would be to bring more women into the industry. How do we expect to do that if the impression they're getting is that it's filled with mysogynistic pigs and creeps? I'm not saying this stuff should be swept under the rug, but many tech companies have gone to great lengths to accommodate women (as they should), much more than in other industries dominated by men. If women continue to get the impression that the tech industry is hostile to them, then they're going to continue to prefer (possibly less lucrative) careers in other industries already dominated by women, which is just going to make the problem worse. I know it sucks that women sometimes have to deal with people telling them how great it is that they're an engineer, or with people asking them about their family's background (I'm joking, I know it can be worse than that), but the tech industry can still be a really great place for women to work.

Mz 9y ago
I try to talk about what can be done constructively to move things forward. I try to blog about such issues in an even handed way. My blog gets very little traffic. Drama sells. You want traffic for your writing, getting up on your high horse and looking for the dirt will get more eyeballs than writing something more evenhanded. Additionally, someone like you saying something that sounds very reasonable is just another way to signal that women need to shut the fuck up. If you really want to see progress on this issue without all the mudslinging, you could proactively try to engage women, promote their work, etc. But most men won't do that. I don't know why they won't do that. I have some guesses, but I don't actually know why. As someone who tries hard to talk in an evenhanded way about these issues and tries hard to further a constructive path forward, I get really tired of hearing the kinds of criticisms you are making because it reads to me as just another means to preserve the status quo. You aren't likely to jump on the news that I am doing something different and excitedly start tweeting my blog posts or something. So, since you probably won't do anything actually constructive, we all get to continue to sit around listening to women whine about the status quo because that is all that gets press right now. I wish to hell and back I knew how to get people to actually pay attention to the constructive stuff. I don't. So I muddle through as best I can, writing blog posts that hardly anyone reads and fantasizing that some day it will make a difference. Edit: To the joker asking for my blog URL, if you are serious, it is in my profile.
- kthejoker2 9y ago
  Your blog URL please? Thank you.
whitemale 9y ago
> have gone to great lengths to accommodate women (as they should) Why should they put more effort to accommodate women than they do to accommodate men, isn't that sexist?

Mz 9y ago

I try to talk about what can be done constructively to move things forward. I try to blog about such issues in an even handed way. My blog gets very little traffic. Drama sells. You want traffic for your writing, getting up on your high horse and looking for the dirt will get more eyeballs than writing something more evenhanded. Additionally, someone like you saying something that sounds very reasonable is just another way to signal that women need to shut the fuck up. If you really want to see progress on this issue without all the mudslinging, you could proactively try to engage women, promote their work, etc. But most men won't do that. I don't know why they won't do that. I have some guesses, but I don't actually know why. As someone who tries hard to talk in an evenhanded way about these issues and tries hard to further a constructive path forward, I get really tired of hearing the kinds of criticisms you are making because it reads to me as just another means to preserve the status quo. You aren't likely to jump on the news that I am doing something different and excitedly start tweeting my blog posts or something. So, since you probably won't do anything actually constructive, we all get to continue to sit around listening to women whine about the status quo because that is all that gets press right now. I wish to hell and back I knew how to get people to actually pay attention to the constructive stuff. I don't. So I muddle through as best I can, writing blog posts that hardly anyone reads and fantasizing that some day it will make a difference. Edit: To the joker asking for my blog URL, if you are serious, it is in my profile.

kthejoker2 9y ago
Your blog URL please? Thank you.

whitemale 9y ago

> have gone to great lengths to accommodate women (as they should) Why should they put more effort to accommodate women than they do to accommodate men, isn't that sexist?