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> But you can stop it. By balancing the browsers, choosing to use not just what’s convenient, but what’s lesser used, you can make the business case for monopol

by colept 9y ago

> But you can stop it. By balancing the browsers, choosing to use not just what’s convenient, but what’s lesser used, you can make the business case for monopoly plays a bad deal. Consider it your civic duty as a fan of the open web. Internet Explorer was a monopoly because it was the default web browser installed on the most prevalent operating system. It's the same reason Safari has a majority on Macs even while it lagged behind a couple years. Chrome is convenient, but I'm not about to start using Opera or Safari because Google is making a better browser. I tried using Safari on my phone and navigating was just so rigid compared to the gestures in Chrome. Safari is behind the times and slowly catching up on web technologies, but also has taken some weird side-steps by ignoring standards like "filter: blur()" and implementing their own "backdrop-filter" that no other browser uses. Chrome and Firefox are the leaders in feature advancement and cross-browser standards. edit: Would like to clarify that when I mean ignoring the "filter: blur()" standard - Safari will remove a background image instead of blurring it. Use what's convenient so other browsers step it up.

chuckhendo 9y ago
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding Safari ignoring "filter: blur()" - it's supported it since 2012, just a few months after Chrome added it. In fact - I think at the time Chrome was still using Webkit. "backdrop-filter" is a completely different thing. Rather than filtering the element itself, it filters all elements behind it. This is especially useful with blur. While you are correct that Safari is the only browser currently supporting it, it is part of the standard, although it's not yet finalized. Chrome also supports it if you enabled "Experimental Web Features"
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- colept 9y ago
  Safari "filter:blur()" is not compatible with background images. Background images on a filtered element will disappear. While "backdrop-filter" is not compatible with any other browser. You either have to choose Safari (which only has a leading-yet-declining share on Macs) or every other browser to support.
  - chuckhendo 9y ago
    I literally just tried this in Safari 10.1.1: https://codepen.io/chuckhendo/pen/NgGZqg https://codepen.io/chuckhendo/pen/NgGZqg Maybe it affects older versions of Safari, but I don't recall having run into it. "backdrop-filter" is irrelevant - it's an entirely different feature.
    - colept 9y ago
      It works now I guess, but Safari has quirks I've seen time and time again where things don't work as they should. I'm also hesitant to call it "fixed" considering it happened just last month and YMMV with a one-element pen.
grimmfang 9y ago
Your post is terribly misinformed. Firstly, I don't know how you conclude Safari has the majority of market share on Mac. > Chrome is convenient, but I'm not about to start using Opera or Safari because Google is making a better browser. Chrome uses far more battery and processing power to achieve the same task as Safari. Safari animates content smoother and scrolls pages smoother. I would conclude Safari is currently the best web browser, despite it being slightly behind Chrome in standards support. > ignoring standards like "filter: blur()" This is false. > implementing their own "backdrop-filter" that no other browser uses This is false. Backdrop filter support is planned in all browsers except Edge currently. You can enable it with a Chrome flag. I should also mention it is a huge advancement for creating blurs on the web. > Chrome and Firefox are the leaders in feature advancement I don't see how you can consider Firefox a leader anymore. That browser is a mess, hopefully they make a comeback.
- colept 9y ago
  You are spreading misinformation. http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/06/18/77931904-cbea-4980-be7d-cbee99144130/resize/770xauto/a4fca9ac833659dfb91ec665c50600c7/browser-share-june-2016-osx.jpg http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/06/18/77931904-cbe... While of June 2016 - Safari is still among the top browsers I see for my website visitors. Yes Chrome uses more battery - but Safari also has use of native API's that integrate tightly with the Apple Ecosystem. Chrome has its own sync, bookmarks, password manager, etc. Safari is great if you don't need Gmail or Google Calendar - but Chrome integrates better with it's other product offerings. > ignoring standards like "filter: blur()" > This is false. Wrong again. Using "filter: blur()" with a background image will make that image disappear in certain circumstances. Instead Apple implemented its own "backdrop-filter" which is not cross-compatible between features. Planned or not, backdrop-filter is currently not supported in Chrome by default. Or any other browser. http://caniuse.com/css-backdrop-filter/embed http://caniuse.com/css-backdrop-filter/embed >I don't see how you can consider Firefox a leader anymore. That browser is a mess, hopefully they make a comeback. Again misinformation. Chrome and Firefox have the leading browser scores for features supported: http://caniuse.com/ http://caniuse.com/
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chuckhendo 9y ago

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding Safari ignoring "filter: blur()" - it's supported it since 2012, just a few months after Chrome added it. In fact - I think at the time Chrome was still using Webkit. "backdrop-filter" is a completely different thing. Rather than filtering the element itself, it filters all elements behind it. This is especially useful with blur. While you are correct that Safari is the only browser currently supporting it, it is part of the standard, although it's not yet finalized. Chrome also supports it if you enabled "Experimental Web Features"

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colept 9y ago
Safari "filter:blur()" is not compatible with background images. Background images on a filtered element will disappear. While "backdrop-filter" is not compatible with any other browser. You either have to choose Safari (which only has a leading-yet-declining share on Macs) or every other browser to support.
- chuckhendo 9y ago
  I literally just tried this in Safari 10.1.1: https://codepen.io/chuckhendo/pen/NgGZqg https://codepen.io/chuckhendo/pen/NgGZqg Maybe it affects older versions of Safari, but I don't recall having run into it. "backdrop-filter" is irrelevant - it's an entirely different feature.
  - colept 9y ago
    It works now I guess, but Safari has quirks I've seen time and time again where things don't work as they should. I'm also hesitant to call it "fixed" considering it happened just last month and YMMV with a one-element pen.

grimmfang 9y ago

Your post is terribly misinformed. Firstly, I don't know how you conclude Safari has the majority of market share on Mac. > Chrome is convenient, but I'm not about to start using Opera or Safari because Google is making a better browser. Chrome uses far more battery and processing power to achieve the same task as Safari. Safari animates content smoother and scrolls pages smoother. I would conclude Safari is currently the best web browser, despite it being slightly behind Chrome in standards support. > ignoring standards like "filter: blur()" This is false. > implementing their own "backdrop-filter" that no other browser uses This is false. Backdrop filter support is planned in all browsers except Edge currently. You can enable it with a Chrome flag. I should also mention it is a huge advancement for creating blurs on the web. > Chrome and Firefox are the leaders in feature advancement I don't see how you can consider Firefox a leader anymore. That browser is a mess, hopefully they make a comeback.

colept 9y ago
You are spreading misinformation. http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/06/18/77931904-cbea-4980-be7d-cbee99144130/resize/770xauto/a4fca9ac833659dfb91ec665c50600c7/browser-share-june-2016-osx.jpg http://zdnet3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/06/18/77931904-cbe... While of June 2016 - Safari is still among the top browsers I see for my website visitors. Yes Chrome uses more battery - but Safari also has use of native API's that integrate tightly with the Apple Ecosystem. Chrome has its own sync, bookmarks, password manager, etc. Safari is great if you don't need Gmail or Google Calendar - but Chrome integrates better with it's other product offerings. > ignoring standards like "filter: blur()" > This is false. Wrong again. Using "filter: blur()" with a background image will make that image disappear in certain circumstances. Instead Apple implemented its own "backdrop-filter" which is not cross-compatible between features. Planned or not, backdrop-filter is currently not supported in Chrome by default. Or any other browser. http://caniuse.com/css-backdrop-filter/embed http://caniuse.com/css-backdrop-filter/embed >I don't see how you can consider Firefox a leader anymore. That browser is a mess, hopefully they make a comeback. Again misinformation. Chrome and Firefox have the leading browser scores for features supported: http://caniuse.com/ http://caniuse.com/
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