I am trying to explain that there are different classes of climbing philosophically, not just one activity with or without certain safety related items. "Motor

I am trying to explain that there are different classes of climbing philosophically, not just one activity with or without certain safety related items. "Motor racing without a helmet" = "stupid and pointless", we can probably agree on that. "Climbing Everest without oxygen" != "Climbing Everest as an adrenaline junkie as I have deliberately foregone a safety related item". "Free solo" != "Free climbing as an adrenaline junkie as I have deliberately foregone a safety related item". My family have different risk tolerances and desires than me, but they know me and don't consider me an "adrenaline junkie". I guess we just disagree :)