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Just woke up. Here you go: > did you have a cellphone in your pocket? Of course not. > where did you get the cash? I withdrew $500 from an ATM, then spent s

Just woke up. Here you go: > did you have a cellphone in your pocket? Of course not. > where did you get the cash? I withdrew $500 from an ATM, then spent several days breaking them into $20's at various tiny Mexican restaurants. No, I didn't have a phone while doing this either. Important note: I planned on waiting a year after the operation before touching the funds to further reduce the risks. > by talking about it you negated all the advantages you built up There were no advantages left. I ended up so broke I had to use the $400 to pay bills. It was a sad day, but that's how things go sometimes. Hopefully someone else here can use this info to carry the torch. > if you walk into a store wearing a facemask you run the risk of being arrested or even shot because they assume you are robbing the store That's why I waited until the middle of winter, when it was so cold it wasn't uncommon to be wearing a facemask. > you may have left fingerprints in the store I was careful to wear gloves, also bought from goodwill. Winter made this not-unusual. > the cabdriver has seen your face and knows your home address, you should have walked to the spot where you changed your clothes This was three years ago, and I got an important detail wrong in my comment: I did walk to the spot where I changed my clothes, then walked several more miles and hailed a cab. Not the other way around, like I originally said. > the clothes bought at the goodwill, did you pay cash for those too? Yes. > what happened to the clothes afterwards? The clothes, receipts, and everything else stayed in the trash bag, buried in the back of my closet. I never used the clothes again. Still have them, actually. > how did you summon the cab to your change location? After I was several miles away from home base, I walked until spotting one. > you're lucky that neither of the houses you changed next to had a dog The changing clothes part was easily the riskiest part of the operation. I brought a dim blue flashlight just to see. If anyone spotted me there, I would've pretended to be changing my shoes and called the whole thing off. If you have a list of questions 10 times as long, better ask them so that someone else doesn't make any mistakes either.

jacquesm 9y ago
> If you have a list of questions 10 times as long, better ask them so that someone else doesn't make any mistakes either. I really do not wish to turn this thread into a basic tradecraft tutorial, besides no matter what I add there will always be more stuff that you will mess up. The only thing I want to achieve here is that people do not follow your silly advice and get themselves killed thinking they have discovered a fool-proof recipe for taking on large and dangerous game.
- sillysaurus3 9y ago
  I agree that most people shouldn't try this, just like most people shouldn't try to be startup founders. But you're the foolish one if you think nobody can succeed. There are no fool-proof recipes. You do your best, prepare meticulously, and play the odds. I've spent many years reading police reports and paying attention to how people are caught. (The annoying thing about learning craft as a lone wolf is that you have to pay attention to deplorable characters to learn the cutting-edge techniques used to catch them.) This doesn't make me smart, nor does it make me invulnerable. Leaving ego at the door is step zero. You bet it's large and dangerous, and that's partly why I backed down. But there are ways. It's easy to be a keyboard warrior. It's not so easy to do anything about the problems that face us. I like you. But you're dismissive of anything you feel treads on your domain. Are you sure you're the only one who's carefully considered the issues? If you have points, I'm sure nobody would object to this thread turning into a tradecraft workshop. Things like that are why we're all here.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    > I've spent many years reading police reports and paying attention to how people are caught. The jails are full with people who thought they were really smart. Reading police reports does not prepare you for the reality, it only gives you a theoretical knowledge of what life on the other side of the line is like. Ironically, it might be the worst possible source of input because it only shows you what did not work, it does not show you what did work because you'll never hear about those things. > It's easy to be a keyboard warrior. Precisely. > But you're dismissive of anything you feel treads on your domain. No, I'm dismissive of advice that could get people in a lot of trouble. It's funny how people will prefix even the mildest legal advice with huge disclaimers but it's perfectly ok to dish out tradecraft advice of which you admit you only have a theoretical understanding and which could easily get someone in trouble, jailed or even killed. You might as well tell people to watch CSI for inspiration if they decide to go after the mob by their lonesome. And no, people are not here for advice on how to start a war with organize crime on a budget, I can see how it is nice to fantasize about being some kind of vigilante super-hero but those are typically movies, not real life. In real life unless you have a powerful organization of your own behind you when you start messing with the dark side you will wind up dead. Talking tough is not going to get you points and clothes bought in a thrift store do not offer magical protection. But every time you power up your cellphone you tell a lot of people that can be bribed where you are (burnerphones hide your identity only as long as you use them in places that are not associated with you), every time you walk out the door you leave a nice DNA trail, every time you use an app on your phone (and plenty of them just running in the background) will tell tons of people (and networks where you can buy this info for cents or even for free) where you are to within an even smaller radius and so on. Being anonymous and staying anonymous over a long period of time are really not the same things. The risk of discovery goes up with every interaction and with the power of computers behind the party doing the search the fight is asymmetrical. Let me give you one concrete example of how short the distance can be between being at large and the dreaded knock on the door. Camarades.com had a bit of a problem with people stalking others and one lady in particular was taking her chances. For 10 seconds she once pointed her camera at something else than her body, a mirror in the room, which reflected part of the scene outside. That was all it took for some crazy Italian to figure out where she lived and to show up on her doorstep three days of continuous driving later. I'm sure she never saw that one coming and for you in the tech world this may seem like an 'obvious' mistake to make. But just like that you too will be making obvious mistakes, just different ones.

jacquesm 9y ago

> If you have a list of questions 10 times as long, better ask them so that someone else doesn't make any mistakes either. I really do not wish to turn this thread into a basic tradecraft tutorial, besides no matter what I add there will always be more stuff that you will mess up. The only thing I want to achieve here is that people do not follow your silly advice and get themselves killed thinking they have discovered a fool-proof recipe for taking on large and dangerous game.

sillysaurus3 9y ago
I agree that most people shouldn't try this, just like most people shouldn't try to be startup founders. But you're the foolish one if you think nobody can succeed. There are no fool-proof recipes. You do your best, prepare meticulously, and play the odds. I've spent many years reading police reports and paying attention to how people are caught. (The annoying thing about learning craft as a lone wolf is that you have to pay attention to deplorable characters to learn the cutting-edge techniques used to catch them.) This doesn't make me smart, nor does it make me invulnerable. Leaving ego at the door is step zero. You bet it's large and dangerous, and that's partly why I backed down. But there are ways. It's easy to be a keyboard warrior. It's not so easy to do anything about the problems that face us. I like you. But you're dismissive of anything you feel treads on your domain. Are you sure you're the only one who's carefully considered the issues? If you have points, I'm sure nobody would object to this thread turning into a tradecraft workshop. Things like that are why we're all here.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > I've spent many years reading police reports and paying attention to how people are caught. The jails are full with people who thought they were really smart. Reading police reports does not prepare you for the reality, it only gives you a theoretical knowledge of what life on the other side of the line is like. Ironically, it might be the worst possible source of input because it only shows you what did not work, it does not show you what did work because you'll never hear about those things. > It's easy to be a keyboard warrior. Precisely. > But you're dismissive of anything you feel treads on your domain. No, I'm dismissive of advice that could get people in a lot of trouble. It's funny how people will prefix even the mildest legal advice with huge disclaimers but it's perfectly ok to dish out tradecraft advice of which you admit you only have a theoretical understanding and which could easily get someone in trouble, jailed or even killed. You might as well tell people to watch CSI for inspiration if they decide to go after the mob by their lonesome. And no, people are not here for advice on how to start a war with organize crime on a budget, I can see how it is nice to fantasize about being some kind of vigilante super-hero but those are typically movies, not real life. In real life unless you have a powerful organization of your own behind you when you start messing with the dark side you will wind up dead. Talking tough is not going to get you points and clothes bought in a thrift store do not offer magical protection. But every time you power up your cellphone you tell a lot of people that can be bribed where you are (burnerphones hide your identity only as long as you use them in places that are not associated with you), every time you walk out the door you leave a nice DNA trail, every time you use an app on your phone (and plenty of them just running in the background) will tell tons of people (and networks where you can buy this info for cents or even for free) where you are to within an even smaller radius and so on. Being anonymous and staying anonymous over a long period of time are really not the same things. The risk of discovery goes up with every interaction and with the power of computers behind the party doing the search the fight is asymmetrical. Let me give you one concrete example of how short the distance can be between being at large and the dreaded knock on the door. Camarades.com had a bit of a problem with people stalking others and one lady in particular was taking her chances. For 10 seconds she once pointed her camera at something else than her body, a mirror in the room, which reflected part of the scene outside. That was all it took for some crazy Italian to figure out where she lived and to show up on her doorstep three days of continuous driving later. I'm sure she never saw that one coming and for you in the tech world this may seem like an 'obvious' mistake to make. But just like that you too will be making obvious mistakes, just different ones.